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Sword 14: A "J" Sword with a Twist (by Peter Geuzen)

8/29/2016

28 Comments

 
This is a guest blog post contributed by Peter Geuzen.  Peter is familiar to fans of #Swordgate as the producer of numerous illustrations documenting the proliferation of Fake Hercules Swords since last December. I'll get the Fake Hercules Sword page and database updated in the next couple of days. I'm hoping that Peter puts together a new #Swordgate poster soon. In the meantime, please enjoy his analysis of Sword 14!

The fourteenth sword came in under the radar and I felt compelled to jump on it. Without further ado, here it is:
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The Nova Scotia eBay sword (Sword 14).
Like the very first sword, Sword 14 hails from Nova Scotia.  Keeping with our establish naming scheme but trying to avoid confusion, let's call this one "Nova Scotia eBay." This will be the fourth example with a connection to the Canadian Maritimes, the ‘go to’ region for Fake Hercules Swords!
 
The background story is generally in line with both what we know and what we assume. The sword was bought on vacation in Rome in 1988 from an antiques market vendor in the tourist zone close to the Vatican. It was sold as a supposed antique, with the dealer saying turn of the century or Grand Tour era. It was the only one in the shop and the only one seen on the trip. Knowing the purchase year is helpful because it aids in fine tuning the database. We now have six with confirmed original purchase dates and locations, with 1988 being the second oldest (the original purchase locations are tellingly limited to Pompeii and Rome).
 
Compared to the swords already in the database, the general matching physical qualities are obvious. The casting is a little rough and the verdigris patina is heavy and slightly worn from high spots. The patina is not worn so much, however, that burnished brass/bronze is showing. The bivalve mold seams are clearly visible and look similar to other database examples including Nova Scotia (Sword 1). There are signs of coarse grinding and filing to smooth out the seam burs. The blade is a thick, dull, uneven rectangular cross-section shape, and clearly not functional.
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Sword 14: front.
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Sword 14: back.
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Sword 14: front of hilt.
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Sword 14: back of hilt.
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Sword 14: left side of hilt.
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Sword 14: right side of hilt.
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Sword 14: front of blade.
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Sword 14: back of blade.
There is one key physical point to note, and one distinct anomaly not seen before. The key feature is the backwards "J" on the back of the blade. The new anomaly is a distinct circular spot also on the back of the blade.
 
Sword 14 falls into Type J based on the salient "J" mark. The backwards J is a casting mold anomaly already seen in four previous examples: Nova Scotia (Sword 1), Florida (Sword 2), Italian eBay (Sword 4), and France (Sword 6). As noted, the backwards J is on the back of the blade and not the front like the others, so let's call it subtype "(r)", for "reverse."

There are a couple possible reasons for the J being on the back. Assuming new molds were made periodically or old molds were retrofitted into new models, and assuming that the bivalve components may have come in two parts, one for the blade and one for the hilt, perhaps blade halves were accidentally reversed, from one model to the next. Similarly, maybe an accident caused a mold to break at the splice and the repair accidentally reversed the blade halves. Conversely, maybe a new mold version reversed the blade halves on purpose to hide the obviousness of the J. Without more data it’s hard to say if there is a chronology of blade mold variations directly within the J group. It’s clear, however, that there must have been a time step where the blade component was reversed, and thus there are time steps with the J on the front, either earlier or later, or possibly both, than the J on the back.

 
The other anomaly of interest is the relatively distinct spot on the back of the blade which is slightly proud or almost embossed looking due to the way brighter patina encircles it. This is unique so far in the database. If it needs a name, maybe the Jupiter spot works. I was hoping it was a Spanish Maravedi coin stuck to the blade, but no such luck. On the front of the blade in reverse to the Jupiter spot, there is some wavy roughness and loss of thickness. Possibly some contamination or foreign material in the mold, or some other quality control issue would result in these anomalies. There is also a chance it is actually an after-the-fact patch.
 
Other minor characteristics are irregular shape near the tip and along blade edges, plus a small distinct dot beside the backwards J. There is a subtle match to the ridge line seen mid-blade in other examples in the same group. There are a couple of pitted marks on the back of the hilt, similar to random examples seen on other swords, which are likely caused by foreign bits of debris or simply bubbles trapped in the casting process.     
 
Some initial research testing of Sword 14 has already been done. Testing of the alleged magical lodestone compass properties that would make the sword an authentic “ancient ocean navigational device” was undertaken using two methodologies. Firstly, using multiple redundant pieces of testing equipment (i.e., all the fridge magnets I could find), no magnetic qualities were determined that would pull you northerly with a firm grip on the sword, while sitting on or in a period replication of land or sea travel (i.e., an old skateboard or my inflatable beach lounge chair). Secondly, using a hydrostatic flotation platform (i.e., scrap plywood), the sword was placed in a hydraulic testing flume (i.e., my bathtub), upon which the entire assemblage did not spin to point the hilt north but rather it sank. Increasing the buoyancy of the flotation platform may be attempted with future efforts if more funding becomes available – fingers crossed that my research grant application pans out.
 
If you disagree with this summary analysis, then Sword 14 can be yours by sending me a certified check for $10,000, the same bamboozle price applied to Sword 1.
 
Database Entry:
 
Sword Number: 14
Sword name: Nova Scotia eBay
Type: J(r) (J with blade faces reversed)
Material: copper alloy (assumed brass)
Total length: 46cm
Blade length: 28.5
Hilt length: 17.5cm
Proximal blade width: 42mm
Mass: 1220g
Original purchase date: 1988
Original purchase location: Rome, Italy
28 Comments
Only Me
8/29/2016 11:30:55 am

I'm gonna be THAT guy. Next to Dr. Brosseau's report, I trust your testing methods far more than any claimed to have been made by a certain "History Heretic".

Good luck on the grant. ;)

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Pablo
8/29/2016 11:35:36 am

In case you didn't include it in your budget, top of the world technology, the XRF gun; $49.99 + Shipping. Maybe that's why you didn't detect the navigational device.

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Viking
8/29/2016 05:11:54 pm

Obviously the navigational devices are present and working at a technological level unknown to mankind. How else could one explain so many of these swords ending up in the same database over a short period of time? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Jim
8/29/2016 06:03:09 pm

Looking closely at the photo, I think that might be a "hooked J", are you sure this is Roman and not Templar ?

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Peter Geuzen
8/29/2016 07:26:43 pm

If you believe the description of the Florida sword found online, there is actually hidden script on the hilt that identifies Commodus, so I think we have to stick with the Roman fantasy. Maybe the Templars came to Nova Scotia looking for it knowing it had magical navigation properties. I'm sure we can fabricate a link somehow.

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Jim
8/29/2016 07:51:45 pm

Oh my,,,,,Is the hidden script in the language of Mordor, does it show up when heated by fire ?
Has Hutton been known to refer to the sword as "my Precious"

Jonathan E. Feinstein
8/30/2016 06:31:06 am

Another 2 cents worth here. I have noticed for some time the rough nature of the casting and have come to suspect most, if not all of these swords were made by casting in damp sand. Back in the ancient days when I was a grad student, I made replicas of bronze blades from the EB-MB intermediary period in the Syro-Israel reagion (so roughly about 1850 BCE depending on whose chronology you care to follow) and did so using the damp sand method.
My blades also came out a bit rough just like these and occasionally with some bad flaws, which frequently could be attributed to the fact that my sand may have been too damp (there is an oil-sand method that yields better results, but I did not have access to that sort of equipment - we use what we have. In my case I smoothed out my blades when I could to better approximate the originals I was trying to recreate, but I still have a few examples of the blades.on which I only cleaned the surfaces with a brush.

The surfaces looked like these blades only without the intentional verdigris.

I'm not sure if that actually adds much to the conversation, but one thing I recall saying early on when it turned out there were several different blades attached to the hilts was that it was possible that there was an original hilt (or a Hercules figure chosen as a hilt) to which various blade types were added in the molding process. Certainly it seems like the later the example we find, the simpler the blade seems to be.

In this case, I wonder if the blade was a separate part added to the sand mold (if I am correct about the process) and if perhaps, the blade master was cast upside down as compared to the other J types...

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Bob Jase
8/30/2016 07:15:34 am

We owe Wolter a great debt for creating an entire new field of sub-study in archeology.

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Gunn
8/30/2016 08:46:40 am

A realistic sub-study (but of geology, not archaeology) of the aging of carved rock would have been in order, I think.

There is a need for being able to scientifically calculate the age of petroglyphs, in addition to runes, and even stoneholes, if possible. I'm thinking in terms of mineral breakdown, with reliable comparative examples, when possible.

One of the big problems, though, as I see it, is being able to accurately determine the conditions any particular artifact bearing carvings may have been subject to...by either mankind or nature.

But, surely, obvious age comparisons should be able to be made between identified prospective "medieval" hand-chiseled stoneholes in rocks, for instance, and proposed late 1800's machine-made stoneholes in rocks.

"What does it matter?" you may ask.

Well, it matters to be able to scientifically prove that the many proposed medieval stoneholes do actually appear to be vastly aged when compared to a few "non-blasted" hand made or machine-made stoneholes from the pioneering days. How will the academic world respond to comparisons of proof of aging, when this is finally accomplished?

Indeed, Bob Jase, I wish we owed Wolter a great debt for creating a reliable, entire new field of sub-study in geology--in this case, the study of the aging of carved rock, rather than foolishness connected with archaeology.

I tend to think that valuable comparisons can be made of many of these stoneholes, in the field. Once extreme age is verified in many cases, it will make more sense to researchers that other medieval Norse-appearing artifacts have shown up in the company of the then-verified, medieval-aged stoneholes--including the Kensington Runestone itself.

Then, perhaps we can move on to seeing what the medieval Norse Code-stone is concealing from us...even as we begin to see just how precious "elite immunity" seems to be to those who were formerly in charge of explaining away these many medieval Norse stoneholes...in essence, helping the academic world they represent NOT STUDY these enigmatic evidences from America's Norse past....

(The names Tom Trow and Jason Colavito come to mind.)

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Peter Geuzen
8/30/2016 12:49:10 pm

What do stoneholes have to do with the topic at hand? Nothing.

Peter Geuzen
8/30/2016 12:47:21 pm

Don't you mean Pulitzer, not Wolter?

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Gunn
8/31/2016 06:31:00 am

No Peter, I meant Wolter, as did Bob Jase, I think, whom I was responding to. We are talking about objects and their prospective ages. I introduced stoneholes again as something to compare to the fake sword debate, where age is also being considered as a factor.

Follow here, Peter: I introduced stone artifacts as something that Wolter could have done a better job of understanding and analyzing, given that he is a geologist...not an archaeologist. My response was to Bob, Peter, not you, which I hope isn't why you're troubled.

I might go on to say, too, that the study of these fake swords is a worthless conversation compared to the importance of academic professionals knowing the importance of medieval Norse stoneholes up in this region. Finally. Why waste time comparing fake swords?

In my response to Bob, I was also referring to the need for professionals in the future to be able to know what these stoneholes are about, instead of pretending they have no meaning. Excuse me, Peter, but I was responding to someone else's comment here, so maybe next time you might consider not being so defensive...even though all this talk about fake swords is nonsensical.

Who cares about the trail of fake swords, and what does all that have to do with Andy's Forbidden Archaeology class, anyway? If "archaeology" discussions are stupid or nonsensical, maybe they should be forbidden...on that basis, not on the basis that some academics think legit subjects should be forbidden.

So maybe it's good that Bob did help to accidentally "derail" a topic that is worthless compared to the future STUDY of the medieval Norse stoneholes up in this area. In my opinion, there is a greater need for the study of genuine stoneholes than there is for a study of fake swords.

If someone opens the conversation up about Wolter and his analysis techniques, whether of a geological or archaeological nature, I will respond, Peter. I just wish you weren't so protective of your fake sword space granted to you here. Sometimes it doesn't hurt to say something in a nice way, either, instead of in an abrupt and crass way.

GEE
8/31/2016 08:28:35 am

Maybe Gunn you don't fully understand the method of "teaching". As it is good to teach how it is done, as it is to teach and learn how it is NOT done. I think the Sword Fiasco, is the perfect learning tool for those students. I myself am not enrolled in Andy's class, and have learned a lot from him .. not only about the Sword, this is not his main course of study, but many other subjects. Lets be nice and respectful please.

RiverM
8/31/2016 03:44:15 pm

This blogpost, along with many others by Andy, is about Hercules swords, not Norse stone holes (which interest me as do the fake sword sagas).

Andy White
9/1/2016 02:52:00 pm

In my experience, a good way to avoid reading something you're not interested in is to just stop reading it once you figure out you're not interested in it. I won't swear it's 100% effective, but it works pretty well.

This is my blog and I write about whatever I want to write about it (or let others contribute if they want and if the topic is relevant to things I'm interested in). It's that simple. If you don't like it, don't read it.

John (the other one)
9/1/2016 08:13:55 pm

Gunn - go back to Trow and Colavito and what they said about stone holes. Then think about what Andy told you about making statements that can't be proven false. If you combine the two of those things without leaping to a conclusion that isn't caught up in your beliefs you will discover reasoning and the scientific method. Something like "all the random sets of stone holes are just left over from rock blasting long ago...." What do you have that proves that not to be true? The holes look old? Ok well Rock has been blasted for a long time and some rocks/places get a lot of weather/erosion. The code stone, it looks like a series of test drills. Anything else?

I don't mind reading about stone holes, I think the concept is interesting but I need way more information to indicate to me they aren't just what they appear to be...drilled stone holes.

Also it appears in your effort to use scientific principles you may be using your own hypotheses (waterway) to back up your other hypotheses (stone holes) and that is a no no. Facts can be used to support an argument.

Andy White
9/2/2016 10:57:13 am

I've offered Gunn a guest blog post to make an argument about the stone holes. John (the other one) has hit on what I think is the right first step: construct the null hypothesis to state that the stone holes are all modern and related to breaking up rocks, then try to falsify that hypothesis. In my opinion, that needs to be done before you move on to interpreting arrangements of stone holes.

Randal Taylor
8/30/2016 09:40:01 am

Cheque is in the mail. Can't wait to have my weapon as a warrior for truth.

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GEE GINA
8/30/2016 11:30:11 am

I need to go back in time., As to the "Claims" of Hutton Pulitzer from the start. On the Show, he claimed that the sword was found by a man fishing, illegally., "some years" ago or even "several decades" ago., if in fact this was true.. How would the NOW owner of the sword know to contact, Hutton of all people on the island to show him the sword., I have to be honest. I think Hutton Pulitzer, made the whole story up., I think he planted the sword for the Laginas to buy into it. I think he was just that desperate to stay on the Island and involved in the TV Show.
Pulitzer provided absolutely no documentation to confirm that the sword had been found where and when he alleges. He gave them false information concerning the testing of the sword., I know for a fact the Laginas and everyone from the Island refuses to talk about this incident. They were swindled, and made to buy the sword for quit a bit of money, without knowing if it was authentic. They trusted Pulitzer to give them the correct information, and that is indeed not what happened. I stand by what I say.. I think he planted the whole damn thing, hoping to change what we know about history. Maybe Hutton should of used Google Search before implying the sword was real.

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Peter Geuzen
8/30/2016 07:36:41 pm

Only the inner circle at the island knows the true story of how the original sword showed up. I would be careful to guess or speculate or claim otherwise. JHP has his own story and like all his other stories, who cares. Nobody, including JHP has said however that the original owner contacted JHP before the Brothers team. Even JHP has said that the sword went to the Brothers first who then showed it to him. It's still vague and who the original owner was and what his true story is, we may never know. What we do know is that Kevin Burns was interviewed by Frank Magazine about the sword and he said: “Rick, Marty, and Craig Tester reluctantly purchased the sword — at my urging — on the remote chance it could be real. We always knew it would have to be professionally tested. We never claimed otherwise. Testing it on camera, however, was essential if we were ever going to quiet Mr. Pulitzer. Therefore, purchasing the sword was done to (A) test it to see if it could be real, (B) discredit Mr. Pulitzer and (C) create compelling television.” This basically says that they assumed it was fake but there was only one way to prove it which would be by testing it, but the only way they could do that would be if they bought it. As a result, they had to pay a price reflecting the chance of it being real. They purposefully turned the testing into a TV segment, which is fair enough because they have to make a show somehow. The supporting result in fact turned out to be that it did discredit JHPs Roman story, and it has done this very effectively.

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GEE
8/30/2016 08:23:12 pm

Thank you Peter G.

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RiverM
8/31/2016 03:04:39 pm

J is the 10th letter of the alphabet. Leif Erikson born in 970 CE, settled in the new world, Vinland, at the very end of the 10th century. Fifteen swords have now been found. 9+7+0=16. When the 16th sword is found in November 2016 (the 10th month in the Chinese calendar) Odin will descend with Asgard and Vallhal, Hercules sword in hand, to the Bay of Fundy, showing once and for all why the world's largest tidal change occurs...due to the missing land mass of Asgard (Atlantis).

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Gunn
9/1/2016 06:59:19 am

RiverM, what does this foolishness have to do with the topic at hand? Nothing.

Maybe you don't understand the proper method of teaching? (GEE)

(Just being funny...like you blogsters. It's hard not to deviate, isn't it?)

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RiverM
9/1/2016 07:32:35 am

This is not the proper way to keep prospective readers of your research interested in your work. I would not have made my post above were it not for your roundabout post about stone holes being superior to inferior fake swords; a small slap in the face to the blog owner.

Gunn
9/1/2016 09:12:19 am

I just wish you were believable....

Pablo
9/1/2016 09:52:57 am

@Peter Geuzen Did you see the New Jersey sword on the Roman Officer website? it has very detail photos and it shows the "coin" detail that you mention on this one. http://romanofficer.com/roman_officer_permanent_collection/HerculesGladius.html/HerculesGladiusFour.htm

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Peter Geuzen
9/1/2016 11:09:59 am

Good eye. It's similar size and similar distance from the hilt but it's not as embossed and it's biased to the left, not the right (looking tip up). As a result it might be caused by a similar reason but it's not necessarily from the same mold. One of the many anomalies and quality control issues that complicates the sleuthing, but makes it a good challenge at the same time.

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Peter Geuzen
9/1/2016 12:02:04 pm

As a follow-up, just to clarify, I don't believe the detail pics are the New Jersey example he mentions but rather are actually the Florida Kenney sword. He presents the pictures in a confusing way over a couple pages but there is just enough evidence in some of the whitish patina on the hilt. The detail pics and the lower quality shots look to be the same sword example.

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