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Romans on Oak Island?  No, Just Another Steaming Pilum of Baloney "Evidence" (by Peter Geuzen)

12/10/2018

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This is a guest blog post contributed by Peter Geuzen.  Peter is familiar to fans of #Swordgate as the producer of numerous illustrations documenting the proliferation of Fake Hercules Swords since December of 2015. He has recently assigned me the task of creating a prize for Swordgate's upcoming Third Anniversary Super Terrific Happy Hour Celebration. So I assigned him this blog post in return. Enjoy!

The Curse of Oak Island has started another season with a few episodes of the obligatory 1/3 recap of the previous episode, 1/3 recap of the recap, 1/6 new material, and 1/6 recap of the new material, per episode. The show airs Tuesday nights in the United States and Sunday night in Canada. To avoid any spoiler issues, this blog is being done on a Monday after the Canadian crowd has had a chance to catch up on the most recent episode.

Welcome to Pilumgate. Don't worry, it won't last long. You might be able to hold your breath until it's over.   
 
You have to wonder if Kevin Burns (Executive Producer & Writer, Prometheus Entertainment) is watching the reactions to his Oak Island cash cow as they happen after each show and season. You have to then wonder if he literally does everything for a reaction. Throw out the red herrings and the scraps of . . . well, scrap, basically . . . as it gets pulled from yet another borehole, or caisson grab, or backhoe pit, or this beach, or that piece of forest, or a full swamp, or a drained swamp . . . you get the idea. As the show keeps trying to be about something, it keeps delivering essentially nothing. Scraps of minor finds are inevitable with the amount of digging and metal detecting going on. Give any historic location in Nova Scotia the same level of effort and you wouldn’t find much of anything different. It’s all stuff from the last couple centuries, but on Oak Island there is also stuff from all the past dead end searches.

Ignoring all these scraps from the last few years, and since this blog is about fake Roman stuff, we leapfrog forward from Fake Roman Swords to the most recent fake Roman find. Kevin Burns has thrown a pilum at us.
 
First let’s build up the context. The supposed non-actors who don’t star in a scripted show have become actors portraying non-actors who do star in a scripted show. They know what they are expected to say, when to say it, and thus they know what exactly has the best chance of making the final edit back in the Los Angeles studio. As a result, when swinging a metal detector turns up a pointed piece of iron, it’s best to start with a conclusion and worry about details later. Fist pumping yelps of TEMPLAR are now mandatory. The obligatory cell phone speaker call to bring over the always conveniently close by fellowship members has to happen next. The bros then high five all around and Prometheus immediately cuts to a leap of faith confirmation fantasy historical re-enactment scene, with universally condemned narration from the “Could it be?” guy. In other words they found this iron spike thing and immediately gave it a bromance declaration as a Templar crossbow bolt.
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Skip to the next episode (of course, a two-episode-per-find minimum rule applies) and it becomes confirmed as iron (duh) with manganese. So let’s just leave it at that and not even explore the complete metallurgy and possible age. Let’s just cut to a leap of faith confirmation fantasy historical re-enactment scene, with universally condemned narration from the “Could it be?” guy, and say it’s as old as any random single digit century BC while showering the screen with sparks and flames.

​Next, let’s get this guy on Skype:
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I really want to think they specifically call him an "antiquities expert" for a reason. Back in the day, Mr. 100% Confirmed used a "Roman Antiquities Expert" for his leap of faith confirmation fantasy about the Fake Roman Sword. Kevin, are you messing with us for fun? Anyways, long story short: this "antiquities expert" points to a line drawing in a book and declares the iron spike thing to be a Roman pilum, which is essentially a javelin tip. Can you guess what happens next? Cut to a leap of faith confirmation fantasy historical re-enactment scene, with universally condemned narration from the “Could it be?” guy, and show Roman re-enactors carrying pilums with tips that look absolutely nothing like the iron spike thing.
 
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The re-enactment pilums are an order of magnitude longer, an order of magnitude larger in diameter, and have a completely different point style than the relatively small and not too scary looking iron spike thing that our heroes found on Oak Island. Now of course any randomly made spear tip from a random blacksmith of any random past century could end up looking exactly like what they found. Perhaps some random Roman arms maker randomly made smallish versions of pilum tips. Maybe these randomly passed through the New Ross Vortex and ended up down river on Oak Island. Randomly possible. Here in lies the rub of course. The "antiquities expert" is not shown to get past his randomness. He provides no expert antiquities analysis of any depth to verify in detail that his finger pointing at a line drawing wins the burden of proof test. All other conceivable possibilities of what the iron spike could be are valid hypotheses. A line drawing based opinion is nonsense. A Roman pilum was nonetheless exactly what the scripted non scripted show wanted to see, to not look scripted, if you follow.
 
Just to add to the fun here, our "antiquities expert" is currently the purveyor of an online auction business called Ancient Resource. Several times a year he offers up hundreds of artifacts per sale to the highest bidder. We’re talking low thousands of things per year and the business is a decade and a half old. There are of course several other businesses on the net like this and several eBay shops doing the same. The math starts to become a challenge. Needless to say, ‘If it looks too good to be true, it probably is’ which is just another way of saying ‘Buyer Beware’.

For even more fun, our "antiquities expert" is a former employee and writer for the History Channel and his major claim to fame in that regard is a production called “UFOs in the Bible.”

To complete the picture, his business is 14 miles (23 km) or 30 minutes from the Prometheus offices in Los Angeles. They are literal neighbors, while being 3700 miles (5900 km) from Oak Island. On a final fun note, if back in the day anybody out there actually saw a copy of the "Sword Report" by Mr. 100% Confirmed, you might recall a section in it that was a deluded guilt by association picture gallery. "If it’s green and looks Roman, it must be Roman" was essentially the argument. A little research of that gallery at the time found that the highest percentage of pictures from dealer types were in fact from our current 'antiquities expert." Coincidence maybe, but man we are really having a good run at figuring out things that aren’t a coincidence.          

So we are going to end Pilumgate as fast as we started it. No inventory, no metallurgy study, no comparative morphology groups, no 3D models, nothing. Easy enough to say “Do your own research” to use the classic line from Mr. 100% Confirmed. Google away for 1) antique fishing spear tine, or 2a) antique frog eel spear, or 2b) antique clam (or scallop) rake (I had to get ‘scallop’ in here somehow, if you know what I mean), or 3) Nephilim fondue fork, or 4) cub scout blacksmith badge weenie roast stick, or whatever else comes to mind.  But seriously: start with numbers 1) and 2). Nova Scotia, with a history of semi-nomadic Mi’kmaq culture relying on fish and game, followed by European contact fishermen and traders, followed by modern era commercial and sport recreational fishing, is the factual material culture chronology that applies. Romans are nonsense. Occam's razor - look it up if you don’t know what it means. Do your own research.
24 Comments
Randal
12/10/2018 09:50:32 am

Pretty much spot on. I can't find an argument with your logic and when I first saw it I mirrored those thoughts.

Being from Nova Scotia I know it is a wonderful and magical place but man...

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Jim
12/10/2018 10:11:57 am

Ya,, ya,,,, but,,, what if the 9th roman legion didn't disappear entirely but were shrunk by alien nephilim from Nibiru ? Wouldn't they then all have wee, tiny pilums ?

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GEET
12/11/2018 06:56:05 am

🤣

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Scott Williams
12/11/2018 08:46:27 am

I pity the poor Roman fool who had to tip their pilum with that thing- it looks like the decorative end of a wrought iron fence.

Thanks for the great guest blog, Peter (and Andy).

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Peter
12/11/2018 07:47:16 pm

Just for fun I figured out where the line drawing picture that antiquities expert guy (we'll call him AEG) is pointing at comes from. It's from a book called "Roman Military Equipment from the Punic Wars to the Fall of Rome" 2nd edition, 2006, also in the 1st ed from 1993. Specifically it's of a pilum found in Oberadan, Germany, and with more searching it's 1st century BCE and from either the 17th, 18th, or 19th Legion. So in that regard, if AEG is implying exact match to the Oak Island thing, which obviously it isn't but an exact match is maybe what they want you to believe, then it has nothing to do with the deluded Roman fantasy of Mr. 100% Confirmed. His delusions want the 9th Legion from Britain, 2nd century CE, to be on Oak Island. Awwww, too bad. https://books.google.ca/books?id=R4MmDQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA1&pg=PT119#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Jim
12/12/2018 07:35:42 am

It seems to me that they are obviously being somewhat dishonest and pulling a fast one with regards to St. Marys University and Dr Brosseau's data.
One would hope St Marys would disassociate themselves from the show.

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Peter
12/12/2018 11:35:09 am

I would think that since none of us viewers know the formal details of the arrangements with St. Mary's, it's impossible to arrive at a conclusion. We don't know how much more info was or wasn't supplied at time of testing re this spike thing, and I guess re the brooch they also looked at this season. In hindsight we do have a complete understanding of the metallurgy of the Fake Roman Sword, but was Dr. B asked for the same re the spike and the brooch? Maybe yes, maybe no, maybe the data is under a non-disclosure agreement until whenever...lots of maybes. Yes the show edits and cherry picks what shots make the final cut, so yes other things said and done at the time of testing are unknown. Maybe someday we know or maybe we don't. Like I said, lots of maybes. St. Mary's benefits from the exposure and they benefit from the quality and integrity of the work on the fake sword. If St. Mary's was to disassociate themselves, the loony birds would twist it into a reverse conspiracy theory of some sort I bet.

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Jim
12/12/2018 02:34:21 pm

Peter:
If they are cherry picking info to show Roman origin and making it look like St. Marys endorses this by not including data showing otherwise, I can't see how this does not hurt the rep. of St Marys.
If (as you say we cannot know for sure) this is the case I maintain St. Marys should disassociate from them rather than aid (willingly or unwillingly) in the propagation of pseudo-science.

On another note, during the fakey expert guy section of the show they claim the pilum points were intentionally made somewhat brittle so that the points would break off inside the intended victim.
Having manganese in the Iron has exactly the opposite effect, it is used to make spring steel.

Peter
12/12/2018 03:25:45 pm

I didn't see anything from the St. Mary's segment where either St. Mary's endorsed anything Roman or the cut scene about ancient blacksmithing implied that St. Mary's was endorsing anything Roman. The Roman crap came late in the show with the so called antiquities expert and fantasy cut scene. Dr. Brousseau's work has been instrumental in blowing the Roman sword crap out of existence. Dr. McCallum, who also helped regarding the fake sword, takes the pseudo nonsense pretty seriously as well (see below). It would be painful to see the show not have any professionals that provide some measure of balance against the nonsense. The show is pretty unbearable but when real science can get the spotlight, it hopefully can over shadow the Roman nonsense. St. Mary’s has been the most positive anti-pseudo thing in the show in my mind, specifically because of the Fake Roman Sword.

http://www.safs.ca/newsletters/article.php?article=599

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Joe Scales
12/13/2018 08:51:38 am

Marty and Rick Lagina are simply further perpetrating the hoax that is Oak Island. They're doing things that have already been done, like looking for "finger drains" at Smith's Cove. They have to know that they've already been found, ended at the beach and were likely the remnants of a past salt works (http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/Dennis_King_Mar_2010.shtml). But should they find anything, they'll declare it to be proof of (non-existent) "flood tunnels", that have been ruled out as simply matter of geology a hundred and fifty years ago. No, the Laginas are liars and frauds, despite their golly-gee-whiz folksy charm. It's telling they bought into the island as Oak Island Tours, Inc.

There's never been a valid reason documented to even suspect buried treasure on Oak Island. And who leaves a tackle block hanging over a dig site where you just buried the Ark of the Covenant?

To get a better idea of the mountain of lies for this hoax over the years, see Richard Joltes' www.criticalenquiry.org

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Ketch Winters
12/16/2018 05:20:43 am

Guys,
Its the shaft end of a drill bit with the cutting head broken off.
It fit into a wooden brace and was held in with a thumbscrew that engaged the notches in the "point"

Its very obvious. And im not an "Expert"
Ketch

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Ketch Winters
12/16/2018 05:43:22 am

If i could post a picture... i would show you exactly what it went into.

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David
12/17/2018 08:24:17 pm

You can post a link to a photo.

Ketch Winters
12/24/2018 06:08:18 pm

There ya go. Sorry took me so long.

zoom in on the end. you will see a round hole with flat slot on either side. Wish was a better picture.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/181832903679485154/

Ketch

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Penny
1/10/2019 07:34:34 pm

Loved this!!!!

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Matt Thomas
1/31/2019 08:56:10 am

What makes me smile is even a cursory browse through antique newspapers in the archives in Great Britain show that Oak Island was a place where ships and boats were for a while made, repaired and broken, in antiquity and this correlates with a much longer period of fishing and subsidence living around the coast. Links are easily found through shipping in antiquity to major ports in England such as Liverpool, again newspapers clearly show Oak Island as the place where ships coming into Liverpool originated.

I sent this information to the makers of the programme, many years ago, when bits of iron spike and ships timbers then began to appear in episiodes I had hoped they would allude to this history. Even the weird “ship sunk in swamp, must be pirate” fantasy could quite easily be a birthed, broken or half finished vessel that was there from that shipping heritage. But no...

Historical research and actual evidence is lost on these people.

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Rick
2/5/2019 08:17:07 pm

Complete Liberal Crap as usual. You guys think you know everything, with all your studying and analyzing everything with Math that makes everything suspicious just to confuse us. Have you ever changed the oil in one of those CAT Front Loaders? Now that is a Genius my friend. The evidence is so overwhelming that I’m blown away with this nonsense. Get this they have found Wood on this Island,now how can you explain that with Math? Ya can’t and in my opinion please don’t comment on things that you know nothing about. Yea right
2 + 2 = Wood. See makes no sense, I’ve even tried switching those numbers and it still doesn’t equal Wood. Some people even have the Balls to tell me that they can do Math and come up with the outrageous statement that there’s Black Holes in the Sky. What a joke, I’ve looked at the Sky for Days and I’ve never seen a Black Hole , I asked my Cousin and he Can’t find any either. Now what I believe is happening is and I asked my Cousin and we both agree that the Templar’s are hiding in the Woods. Do you know how I know this? Rick & Marty keep finding Antiques and other valuable Artifacts in the woods. They have been trying to throw them off so that they will forget about the Money Pit and just leave the Island all together. Then the Templar’s will come out in the cover of darkness, Then 5 of them will slide down the 5 tunnels into the Money Pit retrieve the Holy Grail. The other Templar’s will build a boat with the Wood Rick & Marty found and sail off and purchase 4 K TV’s and Whores. They’ll have it made. My Mother told me good things will come if you just wait long enough and the Templar’s are a great example.

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Bill
2/17/2019 06:25:29 am

You sound like one of those idiots who thinks Survivor is real I bet. If you think it's fake and full of crap then stop watching it and think before you speak about things you don't know about. Can you see Mars or Jupiter or Neptune with your own eyes? Bet you can't, so how do you know it's there? Did someone mention it to you or show you photos of it. Or are you so smart and know everything that even if someone showed it to you with a telescope you'd say if I can't see it with my own eyes or touch it,can't be true. People can make mistakes sometimes like the ones that agree with your 5th grade analogy of things. Some people spend decades of their lives studying about stuff getting their hands dirty on sites exploring. But a genius like you spouts off a bunch of useless examples that are supposed to be relavent to what you're trying to disprove and in noway close. 2+2= wood. That sounds like you went to one of those special schools for gifted children. Being a critic about stuff I will bet you have no actual education for doesn't make you a know it all. Those who don't make it at a career become a critic and try to put down people who actually make it at the same thing. You seem to have so much knowledge about the world and their events why don't you write a book of everything you know. Sure that will be as long as a fart in the wind. Well happy fact finding Einstein and I will be sure to look for you're new novel about how things are to you in your mind.😅😅😅

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William
11/17/2020 08:51:31 pm

Bill, I believe Rick's comments were satire, although there are folks out there that think like that

Purple Weiner
11/18/2020 01:24:37 pm

*Wooooosh*

Andy Appels
2/11/2019 07:14:31 am

Hi. Great blog and great series which I have to say love to watch. I am joint author of Roman Buckles and Military fittings with Stuart Laycock who has gone on to write several excellent books about the Roman military. I am a specialist in Roman Military finds and former Roman finds adviser on UKDFD and my work has been utilised by the Portable Antiquities scheme here in the UK. I.watched in "shock and awe" as Mr Vandervort declared a Utilitarian piece of Iron the tip of a Roman Pilum. Having handled several over 30 + years of collecting and studying I can say for a fact this it isn't anything to do with a Pilum. The metal for a Pilum actually tends to be rather soft as the whole point of the Pilum was to get it stuck into the opponents shield thereby making the shield useless as the Pilum would bend on contact, dragging the shield down. The form and composition is completely incorrect and the piece looks more like some sort of tool than a weapon. In fact it rings a bell with me as some sort of fishing net tool or wood borer although. It may well be old but it isn't a Roman Pilum that is certain. I am writing this in the hope of curtailing the influx of "have you seen the oak island Pilum " emails which are starting to accumulate. Irrespective I still love the show but come on guys ,really! And yes the sword they flashed on previously as a Roman artefact found in a shipwreck (?) probably made in Bulgaria about 5-10 years ago for the ebay market. Regards Andy

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Mike Kirschbam
11/30/2019 01:30:49 pm

The masonry scribing tool found is actually a blacksmith's drill. Still old, and interesting.

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David Youse
3/31/2020 06:41:28 pm

"...universally condemned narration from the “Could it be?” guy..."

Love it. Or should I say, "Love It?" since everything he says is emphasized and followed by a question mark?

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Blake
7/31/2022 06:06:49 pm

It's still amazes me that we can so easily tear down and rip apart people. We can so easily call Mr. Vandervort inept and Marty and Rick Liars with no hesitation. It's good to know that we have so many Perfect People in the world. If I remember correctly, when the sword was found yes the word Roman was thrown around a lot but I believe it was quickly proven that it was not Roman. And it is sad that we put so much thought, value and time to entertainment in this country. Our teachers barely make enough to live on yet someone who plays with the ball can make $20 million a year and complain that that's not enough to feed their family (that is when I stopped watching pro sports). Boy we have our priorities screwed up and we are so easily able to point the finger and accuse others of being stupid or wrong in their thinking. And I expect I'll take a lot of crap for this post. I hope I don't, I hope that I can have enough faith in people that rather than rip each other apart any chance we can get that we would rather come alongside someone who needs help and lift them up. What a disgrace we have become. And when I say we I include myself as well. I don't act right all the time either. None of us are perfect we need to get that message through our brains to show Mercy and be gracious to people rather than attack and rip people to shreds. Are we that insecure, that the only way we can feel good about ourselves is to tear down others and do it in a public forum? Before you respond to my comments, think about it a few minutes before you do. If you have kids what would you want them seeing you do and hearing you say about other people? Yes, and if you say that I sound like a preacher, I am a retired pastor. But that doesn't matter, what matters is how we treat one another. Do we respect each other or do we act like the Romans and treat people by their position? Maybe the next time a question comes up, you can put some thought into it and answer it intelligently rather than rip people apart for the fun of it. It's just sad. Respectfully submitted.

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