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NEWS FLASH: I've Been Kicked Off the "REAL GIANTS" Facebook Page

1/28/2015

11 Comments

 
Giantologists complain constantly that no-one considers their claims and listens to their ideas.  Apparently what they really mean by "consider" and "listen" is "unconditionally agree with."   My short tenure as someone posting on the Facebook group "REAL GIANTS" is now over, as I have been booted.

The description of the group reads:

"ANYTHING Pertaining or Connected to Giants
-Scientific, Serious Research & Theories are Welcome
"

I think my work on giants falls under that definition. It turns out, though, that the unspoken rule is that you have to believe in giants or you have no business being there. And it really helps if you're a creationist. You can get lots of "likes" by posting pictures of Saharan rock art depicting cows and making the claim that it is showing dinosaurs.

It was actually better than that:  the question with the photo was something along the lines of "is this a young dinosaur or a full-grown dinosaur surrounded by giants?"  I can't get the exact quote since I am now banned from the discussion.  My answer to the question was "It is not a dinosaur, it is a cow."  They responded by posting pictures of other rock art from around the world purporting to show dinosaurs.  And then they looked me up online (not too difficult). And then started talking about how evolution is wrong. Meanwhile I went and looked at other rock art from the same tradition that clearly showed cows with some kind of serpentine appendage, presumably depicting some ritual or ceremony. I offered those to try to get back to the original discussion, but my efforts were not appreciated.

At any rate, there is not a great deal of appetite for any debate about the actual existence of giants.  Or really about much of anything rather than maybe a little daylight between "Young Earth" and "Old Earth" creationism. Other than that they already know all the answers.  So I'm not sure what "research" is being done.  I didn't see any of that.

But it was a great couple of days for me on "REAL GIANTS."  I hoped to learn something about why people believe in giants and what they think giants are, but instead I learned that questioning the credibility or interpretation of any piece of evidence will get you labeled a "shill," a "troll," a "fool," "blind," and other things (I forget them all and I can't go back and check, since I am now banned).  If you're looking for a "giants are awesome" echo chamber, this is the site for you: someone posts the same tired BS story about the Delavan skeletons or Joe Taylor's 47" femur sculpture and then the high-fives start.  I posted a link to my post on Delavan and it got several "likes," but I'm guessing those people just had a knee-jerk reaction to the mention of Delavan and didn't actually read the piece.

The "REAL GIANTS" site was also a great place for finding people blissfully unburdened by the irony of using the internet to argue for the futility and "fantasy" of science. So if you're looking for some of those people, I can point you in the right direction.

So I guess maybe I did learn something.

I doubt I affected anyone's way of thinking over there, but who knows. Maybe some of them will follow me here.  This would be a much better place to actually discuss ideas, I think, because I don't have an exclusionary theological litmus test.  The downside for them is that someone outside of the gaggle of giant enthusiasts COULD potentially actually listen to and disagree with one of their ideas.  I've got one example now of how that sort of thing is handled over there. 

Don't worry, it will be different here:  I won't boot you off or delete your comment if you disagree with me.

And I'm also not sure why some of you friended me on Facebook, but I think I'll pass.
11 Comments
Kelly Watts
1/28/2015 10:01:35 am

Sorry to see this Andy !

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Andy White
1/28/2015 10:41:03 am

It was great while it lasted. My input was just not appreciated, I'm afraid.

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Rob
2/24/2015 06:05:25 pm

You are more than welcome back! However, we in the Giant community are quite frankly tired of the naysayers. It is a closed group for a reason. We need a safe place to interact without the typical ridicule.

I personally have no issues with your perspective and found some of your input quite intriguing, excluding the personal attacks.

There are several Administrators and some of them are new. Unfortunately, porn and spam bots have been overflowing the group with ob-seen material and now there are 9 Admins some of them being new. I don't have time to monitor the group 24hrs a day.

Typically when you come to a "closed group" to attack the topic at hand it does not go over well. LOL

Also there are several new gun slinging Admins who would label that as Trolling. Wikapedia could have elaborated more on internet trolling, though this should suffice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

I set some new rules for the Admins so if you are looking for more evidence besides the "Peer reviewed 12 Foot Giant" we would be more than happy to have you back, after all I as the creator believe in redemption. There is so much more physical evidence, documents and DNA testing than that. I actually have access to 12/14 footer right now, but the owner is afraid to come forth due to NAPA. Trying to convince her to connect with the Jim/Bill etc from History Channels "Lost Giants" to appease her.

By the way I would concur on that specific image you mentioned. It like most art is up to interpretation. That individual was removed several times for not following the rules related to the topic of Giants.

YES we do believe in Giants and many of us have seen and held the evidence to believe so. Come on back, just kick back and learn.

PS: TRY not to attack the belief in Giants and just posing questions and I'm sure gun slinging Admins will leave you alone.

After all you can still believe in evolution etc and still be a Giantologist. Many are! ;)

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Janice Monson
8/31/2016 01:39:32 pm

I was just kicked out too for something really stupid. I guess I'm blocked also as I can't even find the grouo on Fb.

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Andy White
9/1/2016 02:55:02 pm

Double secret probation.

I wonder if there's anything new in giant land these days.

calmcrash
9/1/2016 06:50:59 pm

There are a TON of Admins = Some hate trolls & disagreements etc. I just dont like personal attacks like kindergarten children. Sometimes people have headaches, mom died, daughter hit by bus.. they are people.. and I disagree with many of them sometimes. Send me a message I'll add you & make a public statement to leave you be. :)

Andy White
9/1/2016 07:12:04 pm

Is that offer directed at me or Janice?

Kristan T. Harris link
2/25/2015 06:27:23 am

REAL GIANTS admin. I remember when i use to tell people why are you getting mad over the internet bro, its only "myspace". Besides you were only on a 48 hour time out. I just checked on it. :) I struggle with the same individuals you do. As a person who strives to be credible and use evidence, it doesn't help when the forum can randomly turn into a sci-fi channel show beta plot :) HOwever it is important in a quest for truth to listen to everyone, question everything and dont believe anyone unless you can prove it with your own research. Cheers.

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John
2/25/2015 06:27:35 am

sounds to me like you are more or less whining that a facebook group doesnt share your personal opinions, therefore anything they believe is null... well ... prove giants didnt exist... there are reports all over the world in ancient texts, myths, hieroglyphs, maps, structures etc etc some foreign structures are still named after the giants that built them,.. thousands of pre-1920 news reports of giant skeletons from such reputable news sources as the new york times.. and certainly more reputable than this blog... Vine Deloria wrote about giants... does your reputation in anthropology precede his? i think you may be the victim of narrow minded and frankly ethnocentric thinking... the natives will tell you of giants... do u ridicule them? the foreigners will tell you as well... what about a serious anthropologist would make them throw the whole investigation out just because it doesnt fit with their mindset??? it might be time to go back to anthro 101 and remember some of the tools that you are supposed to pick up there...

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Andy White
2/25/2015 10:45:40 am

I think these comments speak for the themselves and don't really require much of a response.

Rob: I don't remember making any personal attacks. I was interested in understanding why people believe in giants. What I took away from your group is that simply questioning whether evidence is sufficient to warrant such a belief is considered an "attack." I learned that the purpose of the group is not to discuss whether giants are real, but rather to discuss "research" about giants that you assume are real. So that's not really my thing. I haven't seen any evidence that convinces me that much of what is discussed in your group has any basis in fact, and the people posting there were not interested in hearing that. So I appreciate the offer to rejoin the group and appreciate your comment, but I think I'll pass.

John: I haven't thrown anything out, let alone the whole "giants" phenomenon. It is interesting and deserves an explanation. I think I've probably spent more time looking carefully at individual cases and trying to understand them than the large majority of people who are interested in this topic because they believe in giants up front. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim: you are claiming giants exist/existed, so provide some evidence (and maybe try thinking critically about it before accepting it). I'm not basing my arguments on my reputation or anyone else's - that's nonsense. I'll let you know what I learn in Anthro 101, as I'll be teaching it this fall.

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Rob
2/28/2015 03:01:39 am

Andy there are 13 Admins. You are correct in regards to not discussing whether they are real. I already elaborated on that. Read my statement again slooowly.

Just because you don't recall any personal attacks does not mean they didn't happen. We all slip from time to time, I know I have.

As for proof, I highly doubt that you have even scratched the surface. Though in your defense and in retrospect there is a lot of disinformation out there.

Your indoctrinating naive minds in Anthropology this fall? Uh oh! See I can slip as well, after all, we are all human. :)

PS: Start here, not to reiterate there is tons. If you are serious about learning the offer still stands. No need to go and pretend to debunk it just because it does not fit into your standard mainstream paradigm. You can squeeze it in still via Panspermia or something..

http://www.godinanutshell.com/project/ancient-discovery/giants-of-ancient-days-12-foot-ancient-giant-peer-reviewed-giant

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