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More Retractions from the 1885 Hoax of a Buried City Under Moberly, Missouri

5/16/2015

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PictureThe Westlake ACE Hardware near Moberly, Missouri. I'm sure they've got shovels and buckets and whatever else one might need to find an ancient buried city. Please remember to secure all necessary state, local, and federal permits before embarking on your quest.
Kristan Harris, latest resurrector and purveyor of the "buried city under Moberly, Missouri" story,  is still not convinced that the 1885 account was a hoax.  I wrote a short piece in April linking to a series put together for the Moberly Monitor-Index in 2014 by D. Craig Asbury, a local historian. Asbury's story contains a retraction attributed to the editor of the newspaper that originated the account of the "buried city." Apparently, however, the editor of the paper saying "we made it all up" wasn't sufficient evidence for Harris to conclude that the story was, in fact, made up.  Harris emailed me to say "I came across the “April Fools” explanation and am not sold on it at all." So . . . Harris thinks the ancient city buried in coal under Moberly is still there, awaiting re-discovery and exploration.  

Then what are we waiting for?  There are several hardware stores in the area that I'm sure would be glad to outfit Harris on his expedition to the buried city.  Maybe he could pitch a series to History and monetize the "search for truth."  Dowsing, drilling, radar, nutty guests, finding nothing season after season . . . "The Curse of Oak Island" has provided a proven template.  Harris would just need a buddy to act as co-pilot (I've got a suggestion for that role) and a willingness to back up his words with action. I'm surprised he's not out there already:  we are talking, after all, about "stone benches, bronze and flint knives, stone and granite hammers, metal statues, metallic saws and a stone fountain that flowed with “perfectly pure water"” in addition to the usual giant skeletons.  Forget the radio show, let's go change history!

Now, not to dampen anyone's enthusiasm for this important story and all of its promise for exposing the "forbidden history" of this country, but I wanted to pass on a few more retractions just for the record.  Craig Asbury located these and graciously emailed me and gave me his blessing to include them here. I have bolded the most important lines just in case you're really busy putting your expedition team together.

From the Rockingham Register (April 30, 1885):

"A Base Fabrication.
In our last week's issue we published quite a lengthy article
taken from the Saint Louis, Mo., Chronicle, giving what purported to be an account of a most marvelous discovery at Moberly, in that State, in the shape of a buried city, surpassing, the wonders of Pompeii. We published the article because the paper containing it was sent us by H. A. Paul, one of Harrisonburg's boys, now a resident of Moberly. We have since found out that it was a miserable fabrication, the only truth connected with it being that there is a hole in the ground at that point made by a shaft's having been sunk in search of coal, which is now filled with two hundred feet of water. It was interesting reading, however, if for no other reason than to show how thoroughly the art of lying has been mastered in these latter times. We will settle the matter with Al. the next time we see him."

From the Daily Evening Bulletin (April 13, 1885):

"ENTIRELY FICTITIOUS.
The True Story of Mr. Tim Collins' Coal Mine.

SEDALIA, MO., April 13.--Mr. Tim Collins, of Moberly, Mo., who was in the city, states that the sensational story of a buried city being discovered under his coal shaft is a sheer fabrication designed to do him great injury.  No such discovery, or anything like it, he says, has been made. The names of parties as given are fictitious.
    He has not himself been in Moberly this week. His shaft is not 360 feet, but only 265 feet deep, and terminates in a six-foot coal vein, which is being successfully worked. He has not, and never has had, any business connection with Britton A. Hill, or any other St. Louis party, and no Sedalia parties are assisting him financially.  He expects to return home, and says  he is going east in a few days to secure funds for enlarging his mining facilities, and claims his mine is the best ever opened in the state."


From the Chariton Courier (April 24, 1885):

    "THE St. Louis Evening Chronicle published a sensational account last week concerning the finding of a lost city 360 feet underground in Moberly.  In last Saturday's issue of the same paper is published an apology for the publication of the hoax, in which the editor would make its readers believe that he was the victim of a misplaced confidence in one J. W. Estes, his correspondent and who is also on the editorial staff of the Moderly Headlight, and that in order to atone to his readers and punish his untruthful correspondent had sent a special correspondent to Moberly, who proceeded to horsewhip the aforesaid Estes in the most approved style of the art.  Query: Who told the biggest lie, Estes or the special reporter?"

Those last two are available through the Library
of Congress website (where Harris was unable to find any evidence of any retractions).  The Daily Evening Bulletin story is here; the Chariton Courier story is here.

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Finally, a somewhat related non-update for the "see no evil" files: the story about the Helenwood Devil still appears on the Greater Ancestors World Museum website.  In case you missed the news (here and here), the "giant with horns" was actually a clay statue made by a guy in a coal mine and hauled around the country as a pay-per-view curiosity.  It's been almost two months since my original post on the subject, and still Cruise Sexton's handcrafted monster is put forward as "evidence" of something having to do with Creationism (I still haven't figured out what the connection is supposed to be).  Isn't it time to set the Helenwood Devil free?  It's making all the other purported horned giant skeletons look bad.


Update (5/18/2015):  I made a few minor alterations to the original text of this post.
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Carl Feagans link
5/16/2015 01:48:08 am

Ha! Well done! As a bit of trivia, did you know that the Treasure Commander was also the inventor of the Cue Cat, that little bar code reader from around 2000?

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Greg Little
5/17/2015 12:15:09 am

When I first encountered the Moberly story a few years ago it immediately struck me as a hoax. It didn’t take much to check it out and find that’s what it was. But that’s not my point. First, under Missouri law there is a loophole for someone wanting to excavate it. Since it’s a hoax and deep underground it is accepted that it’s not a burial site, mound, or ancient habitation area. All you’d have to do is buy the land and do what you wanted. That’s not the point either. Let’s say that after their dig down of some 360 feet they found a buried “city” with lots of lithic artifacts, pottery, and even several 12-15 foot tall skeletal remains. They make the right calls to the authorities and the skeletons are taken by the state archaeologist, and they are immediately claimed by a tribe, say the Osage in Oklahoma. The skeletons are not shown to the public nor anyone else and no photos of them are allowed. The skeletons are cremated and secretly scattered by the Osage on the reservation per NAGPRA.

So, now to the point: if the above happened, would you believe it? Would the first though be that can't be true? Would you believe that the skeletons were that large? Would you believe that the artifacts were genuine, or perhaps fake or planted?

I don’t see any evidence at all that shows any ancient skeletal remains in America were more than 8-feet tall. Even then there are no more than perhaps 30 somewhat reliable reports of remains that were approaching 7 feet or above. Of course that’s a bit “iffy” too. It’s not a spectacular claim, but it doesn’t support the giant proponents nor the idea that there wasn’t even a lineage of exceptionally tall people in Native American tribes.

A very basic tendency in human perception is for us to anchor our belief system. Some people anchor themselves in religion and the many stories and mythologies in the accepted religion. Anchors exist to create stability and keep what is called “cognitive dissonance” from emerging. Cognitive dissonance happens when we are presented with facts that directly oppose our most important beliefs. A good example would be if a true creationist found irrefutable evidence that evolution explained everything.

On the other side, many anchor themselves in what they firmly accept as science. They might see myths as complete fabrications and dismiss or discount all accounts that directly confront their important beliefs. Even scientists sometimes resist contrary facts. I’d use the Clovis First doctrine as an example. It anchored a lot of American archaeologists for a long time. In medicine, it took a long time for the medical community to accept that it wasn’t worry, stress, or anxiety that caused most ulcers. The stress makes them worse, but it’s rare for it to cause them. How long did it take the scientific community to accept that there are invisible rays and tiny creatures everywhere?

There are a lot of things that automatically happen as people sift through “facts” and stories. Selective perception and confirmation bias are just two psychological processes that engage and they tend to serve the purpose of maintaining our belief system—our anchor. It is very understandable why those interested in ancient giants won’t throw in the towel, but it’s partly due to an axiom in psychology: all myths have a basis in reality.

It’s not impossible to suspend one’s primary beliefs and try to see the truth for what it is, but it is surely difficult if not close to impossible for many. And it is seldom a very satisfying thing to do as the believers on both extremes will view anything in the middle ground as a threat. So, to the bottom line. You can not and will not convince the genuine giant believers. And my guess is that your aim isn’t focused on them anyway. Last, they can not and will not convince you. And that’s not their aim, either. Of course, I could be wrong. It would not be the first time. And being wrong about such a thing isn’t all that terrible.

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Andy White
5/17/2015 11:35:33 pm

I'm used to being wrong. Science is built on figuring out what's wrong - but you know that.

You're correct that my aim is not to convince the "true believers." Evidence doesn't have much to do with faith (by definition), and so far I have found that showing them that their "evidence" doesn't hold up to scrutiny hasn't done much. But I do think that presenting a counter-argument has value to those who haven't made up their minds already. As one person emailed me to say, the case for fantastical "giants" might sound pretty good to someone who doesn't have the time or expertise to pick it apart. The case appears a lot less solid when there are resources available to show why it's less solid. So rather than just assert a denial, I've chosen to look at the evidence piece by piece and appraise it on its own merits. As you've pointed out before, I've probably spent more time doing this than many of the people who are proponents of the existence of giants. I may not convince them, but I can provide information to those who actually want to know what the "evidence" means.

I think if I were confronted with actual physical evidence of giants (not just tall humans), I wouldn't reject it because it didn't fit my worldview. I think it would be great. Anyone who says scientists only thrive on protecting some mythical status quo doesn't really "get" science, in my opinion (at least not what I see as the motivation behind being a scientist). Change and upheaval are exciting. The Clovis First model is a great example: a dominant model falsified by a contrary fact (the existence of Monte Verde). One truly giant human and the gates fly wide open. But so far I haven't seen one. None of the purported pre-Clovis sites prior to Monte Verde were strong enough candidates to be game changers - they all had issues. But all it really took was one "good" one that met a threshold of credibility. So far none of the reports of "giants" that I've looked at has met that threshold. A thousand crappy reports that can be explained away does not equal a single good piece of evidence.

As far as Moberly . . . If I were someone that really believed that story was true, I would be putting together an expedition tomorrow. It's a known location with an entire "ancient buried city" for crying out loud!? It would change the history of the earth! So why are they not out there digging it up? I submit it's because the "believers" don't really believe it either - they know it's bunk and are simply getting whatever mileage they can from it. If they really think there's something down there, go hire some heavy equipment and get busy. Unlike the Money Pit, it's a whole city. Shouldn't be hard to find it.

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Greg Little
5/18/2015 12:44:36 am

I agree completely. And yes, those who believe in the lost city should by all means find it, should be pretty easy. No permits needed unless there is some permit needed for digging a deep hole. Buy the land and do it, or find the owner and do it. We did something like that when we started to search the Bahamas--we put or time and resources into looking for things that were said to be there.

jeff gedney link
4/25/2017 09:11:49 pm

the basic science we are taught about geology is totally wrong, each sediment layer representing a year like tree rings, the problem with that is these layers are formed by catastrophes,rapid burial is the only way fossils can be preserved , all our fossils we find today are from these events, Mt. ST. Helens gave us insight to this forming of sediment layers,the little grand canyon as called there was formed in one day, but you never hear about this because it goes against what they are teaching in our schools, and I think it funny that the mine is filled with water now,no way to check it out, very similar to another coal mine find in I believe in West Virginia, and that one a dam was built on it with a lake now there making it impossible to prove, so were is the real hoax? the Smithsonian is probably behind this once again the suppressor of real history

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Bob Jase
5/17/2015 12:36:48 pm

I suppuse its possible to dismiss the admissiion of a hoax on the grounds that a hoaxer is a liar but...

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Andy White
5/17/2015 11:38:18 pm

Knights and knaves?

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Herve Keptner link
6/21/2015 12:36:14 pm

from the murder in 1996 lizard man case south carolina
in which the black man that was going to be on Oprah was murder by law enforcement keep the lizard people under wraps and the joplin lizard man case is proof this city is real, that take it was hoxing are lying because people have been murdered over it!

REPTILIANS IN CAVE IN MISSOURI
We have all heard that the Reptilians are here and living underground. Well, this case proves it! It was submitted to another yahoo group in June of 2004 from J.W.

As a new member, I told you I would e-mail my story, so here it is. First, I want to apologize for any misspelled words or bad grammar. I have a habit of not putting everything down as I type. Because I am still in shock and "zone out" as I try to type and think every detail to you. Second, I saw this, my friend saw this and it was real. No one will ever tell me different. So, if you want to "hammer, trash, bash or otherwise ridicule" me, it will not change the fact that this happened.

This past Sunday... the 7th, a friend and I were riding two ATVs in a place called "The Underground." It is a public and private storage facililty in Carthage, Missouri. What makes this place such a desirable storage facility is that it is all underground, hence the name.
They are constantly expanding the place and there are miles and miles of carved out caves in there, and it goes pretty deep.

This facility stores thousands and thousands of food containers, all dehydrated for the Navy. I have seen them and it is public knowledge around here.

It is also a fall out shelter able to hold some 40,000 to 50,000 people. I tell you this to give some sense of the vastness of the place.

I worked there as a subcontractor some 9 years ago. I helped build the office spaces up on top.
I started to explore then, about once a month and did so all the way until this past Sunday. However, I never went as far or as deep before either. It was fun to take the ATVs and cruise underground, no rain or weather problems -- ever.

We were approximately 8 miles in and I'd say maybe 500 feet deep when we took a turn down an area that was marked "Navy-1 Authoritative Zone." I remember making a comment about the Navy getting a ship down there and said that was an easy posting.

The walls became more defined as in polished or finished and this was striking because this was supposed to be a newly blasted area, totally backward I would think, still thinking nothing was wrong we kept going, actually increasing speed because the floor was paved now and we could go faster.

We came up on an unusual painted pattern on the floor and I thought, "cool graffiti...kids have been down here... we're safe... won't get into any trouble."

The road dipped down and then it took a 90 degree turn to the left. We had no warning and we were going too fast. I knew we were going to hit the wall. BUT we DIDN'T. We passed through some kind of projection of the cave siding, although I don't know how it was done. It was real looking.

We passed into a whole new road system. This one was large, and much older than where we came from. We started to smell an odor... musty, damp, growing stronger as we went deeper.... on smell.

The lighting decreased as well, probably 60% less than the other area's. We turned on our headlights. We continued on at about 5 to 7 miles and hour for about 5 minutes and we noticed it was getting cooler, which was to me, very strange, since once inside a cave a certain distance the temperature stays the same.

We made a right turn and started to come up on what I thought was a rest area on the side about 40 feet away. I thought it looked like a pair of fountains until they moved! We both stopped immediately.

We were approximately 30 feet away now and what we saw were two creatures, one was very tall at least 7 feet, maybe more and very powerfully built, reddish in color and the other was smaller about 6 feet but it was not red in color but pale, like an albino and it was not as powerfully built as the other. They looked like REPTILES... living, walking, intelligent beings... not human... not warm blooded Reptiles!

I know it sounds crazy but it is true. They said nothing but I did get a strong sense from the big one. A malevolence, evil presence of some kind. My friend screamed and we turned around.. a power turn. We started to go back out when my friend said, "the big one" was after us. I looked back and it was following us. I had the overwhelming feeling that if it caught us that harm would come to us.
We passed through the wall projection and I looked back and saw the thing raise it's arm and it had a weapon of some sorts. It fired and hit the ATV my friend was on The engine died and he stopped. I told him to jump on.. and he did. I gunned it and them my friend said, "STOP!" I slowed down and he said "LOOK!". I looked back and the thing had stopped at the graffiti on the cave floor/road. The ATV was on it's side of the graffiti/symbol. It was obvious th

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Herve Keptner link
6/21/2015 12:43:10 pm

It was obvious the thing would not cross the marking.

I slowed more.. we were not about 75 feet away. I stopped and the three of us, me, my friend and the creature/reptile/man thing just looked at each other for about 15 seconds and let me tell you, that is a long time. Then I started to leave. It stayed there waiting and not moving until we were out of sight.

As soon as we cleared the cave I got on my cell phone and called the Sheriff's Department. I was told that they would not come out and that the "Underground Security" would handle it. Then they hung up! By law they are not to do that. We can hang up on anyone, but a government office, be it City of Federal cannot hang up on you.

Anyway, I was shocked and scared and we took off across the outside of the underground over to my truck and sure enough the Underground Security was waiting for us. We were told to leave, not to tell anybody about this, that if I came back, the Navy would press charges. I was also told that I had 10 minutes to leave or I would be taken in.

What can I say, we left. It has been 3 days since this has happened and I am still shaken. I am a powerful person, 6'4" and 265 pounds and I have never in my life been afraid for my life.. until this past Sunday.

I lost one of my two ATVs. Vin number 5y4Ag0o1y61a071120. As far as I know, it is still down there. My friend will not talk about it and I have not heard anything from anyone about it. I did call the Sheriff's Department and they said they never got a call from me!

Well, that is my story. I have never had anything strange happen in my life and I am very, very concerned about this.

I can tell you this. I had an urge to kill the things I saw down there. I don't know if that is a natural reaction as most people have a natural revulsion towards reptiles or because of my faith and the feeling of evil I had, or what.

All I know is that they are real and I wish I could do somethingg, anything, to combat or help against these things.

Take care all and thank you again for letting me write this and share this experience.

The whole complex is lighted underground. When trucks deliver they just drive in. I was able to get in there because I know some people out there. You just can't walk up and go in. I always rode the ATVs in the front part of the caves. Been doing it for years, but I never ventured far back. This was the first and the last time I was able to do that.
_______
My friend lives in Missouri. When I told him about this he knew right where the caves were. It is common knowledge they are used for storage purposes for the US Navy. Seems like they are storing more than "supplies" there!
posted by Aileen @ 11:26 AM

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Ryan
11/5/2015 10:48:26 pm

amazing story

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Herve Keptner link
6/21/2015 12:51:32 pm

Dear ANDY WHITE
are you fake anthropologist? NOT BELIEVING in MAGIC is SIN under ANTHROPOLOGY/FOLKLORE!
the number one rule #1 Magic is Science has Religion which is Philosophy!, ie the Occult/Metaphysics based on the teaching of houdini and buddhist and norse and egyptian all being in collaboration on telling the same story!
for SHAME ON YOU FOR failing to understand Cybernetics(cyber anthology the use of infomantics ie information technology on all the science to singletary )(? May the GREAT RAVEN GOD TAKE YOU STUPID, also i hope a lizard man eats you!
Andy White
Follow me on Twitter: @Andrew_A_White

Email me: aawhite@mailbox.sc.edu

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Herve Keptner link
6/21/2015 12:57:53 pm

how can you believe in giant but not underground city or lizard men which they fight when the very giant you believe in are found in these underground citys?
http://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/ancient-giants.html

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Tom Neal
12/11/2015 12:49:59 pm

Interesting. You men make great points, love your posts. At a depth of 360' in Moberly wouldn't that be at or below the Reeds spring layer, far below the Burlington Shale Layer. My fossils from the Burlington layer come from the upper cretaceous. Habitation at that layer couldn't be claimed by any American Indian unless they can prove they were here in the Carboniferous Era. Our current system of sanctioned ignorance is retarded. Our current public education system comes from early Czarist Russia; public - et al working class. If I made a significant discovery there is no authority, planet-wide that I could call that would help proliferate this knowledge. BTW The Smithsonian is the Devil, John Smithson is spinning in his grave.

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