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Hutton Pulitzer's Ongoing Legal Threats: An Update

1/18/2020

 
Back in December, I wrote a short post about Hutton Pulitzer's attempts to get me to take down or edit content related to his involvement in Swordgate. I wanted to take a few minutes this morning to provide more information and an update of what's been going on with this matter since last fall.

If you're not familiar with Swordgate, it was the debacle that ensued after Hutton Pulitzer made the public claim that a "100% confirmed" Roman sword had been recovered from a shipwreck off of Oak Island. That was in December of 2015. Over the course of the next several months, I and many others gathered a large body of evidence that conclusively showed that his claims about the sword were nonsense. Independent analysis of the sword by the television program The Curse of Oak Island reached the same conclusion. A lot of bad behavior on Pulitzer's part followed.

I hadn't really thought much about the sword story or Pulitzer's activities over the last couple of years until he emailed me in October of 2019 demanding that I remove use of his name ("Jovan Hutton Pulitzer") from all my content. In his communication, he asserted that he had trademarked his name and that my use of it violated his rights.  He threatened to have my material taken down if I did not comply with his request voluntarily.  He CC'd this communication to various departments and individuals at the University of South Carolina (my employer).

Following that communication, I consulted with an attorney specializing in intellectual property law. His conclusion was that Pulitzer's threats were baseless. I chose to not respond.

Pulitzer followed up his October communication in November with a document that he sent to various individuals at the University of South Carolina and elsewhere. That document contained numerous untrue statements about me and was apparently sent in an effort to damage my reputation. His letter was clearly defamatory, and I am currently exploring my legal options for addressing that aspect of his behavior. 

Following his November communication, my attorney sent a letter in December to Pulitzer's attorney (Steve Green) informing his that his claims of trademark infringement are baseless (indeed, Pulitzer has only applied for -- not received -- trademark status for his name) and that I would defend myself and my reputation against his claims.

Steve Green responded with a letter dated December 18, 2019, alleging that I have participated in a "well-planned Civil Collusion" to cause harm to Pulitzer. Green also argued that Pulitzer's communications to USC could not constitute tortious interference because he followed the proper procedures for filing a complaint about a state employee.  The letter asked for nothing specifically other than to have a phone call to discuss the matter.  

I indicated to Steve Green that I would be willing to discuss the matter, but that I preferred to do it writing (i.e., via email) rather than over the phone. My reasons for this were several: (1) Pulitzer/Green have not demonstrated to me that they are willing to have a discussion based on verifiable facts -- every substantive communication so far from them has contained inaccurate information; (2) Pulitzer has demonstrated (and bragged about) his penchant for recording conversations and then trying to use them for his benefit; and (3) I remain confused about their claimed legal basis to compel me to remove or edit anything. And so that's how the current conversation started.

First (1/13/2020), Green wrote that what they wanted was removal of an unspecified "libelous article" that they said presented as fact that Pulitzer had engaged in crimes.  Along with that, they also wanted me change the URLs of my blog posts so that Pulitzer's name wasn't in them. 

In response, I wrote this on 1/13/2020:


Mr. Green,

As a starting point, please provide me with a list of my blog posts which you are referring to. I have never, to the best of my knowledge, written anything about Pulitzer that is untrue. So as a preface to any discussion I would like to know, specifically, exactly what you allege is "libelous."

Andy

Steve Green responded (1/13/2020) that I should, basically, remove Pulitzer's name on all sites I own or operate. So, rather than providing specific posts/statements that they allege contain inaccurate information, they simply assert that I should take down everything with his name in it.

Here is my response (1/13/2020):
 

Mr. Green,

I admit that I am now confused, as we seem to be right back where we started when Pulitzer first contacted me last fall claiming trademark/copyright violation. As my attorney communicated to you in his letter, Pulitzer's trademark/copyright claims are baseless.

When I did not respond to Pulitzer's trademark/copyright claims, he sent a defamatory letter to my employer, again demanding that I take everything down with his name in it. That letter contained numerous false statements. I am sure that the procedures for filing a complaint to the University of South Carolina do not include making false statements about an employee.

Then, you sent a letter alleging that I was involved in some kind of conspiracy and that you wanted to talk to me on the phone. I responded that I would rather have the discussion in writing, and this email exchange we are having demonstrates why: you first said that you wanted removed the "huge libelous article presenting as fact that my client engaged in crimes of the nature such covert/secret nude recordings, or pillaging artifacts and such" and when I asked for clarification which "article" that was, you reverted back to ""remove all posts with J. Hutton Pulitzer in it."

If there are specific posts with inaccurate information, as you allege, I would be happy to discuss them. In order to do that, however, you have to tell me which posts you are referring to and which parts of those posts are inaccurate. There is really no other way to have a discussion about your allegations. You have claimed that I have knowingly made false statements about your client. I have not. If you really disagree, please tell me which statements are false.

I have no plans to take down any material based on Pulitzer's allegations of trademark/copyright infringement, which are baseless.
 
And to be absolutely clear: I did not create the "Critical Thinking" channel on YouTube, I did not create any of the content on that channel, and I do not control that channel. Is it not my content to take down.
Green's response (1/14/2020) was, frankly, amazing.  First, he asserted that they had learned from YouTube that I did indeed own the Critical Thinking channel and he would provide the evidence in the email (spoiler alert: he did not provide the evidence, and I don't own that channel). Next, he told me the case actually isn't about trademark anymore. Then, he asserted that "each statement provided to your University, State Investigators, Academic Boards and such are all based on information and screenshots taken directly from your owned and managed blogs, etc." Then, he offered a pdf that showed some of his evidence of "Civil Collusion."  I won't reproduce the pdf, but I will tell you that it consisted of screenshots of links that I posted on the J.Hutton Pulitzer page on the Argumentative Archaeologist website. Specifically, he pointed to a post written by Carl Feagans (that no longer exists) and posts (by Jason Colavito and I) about the infamous "plying us with porn" piece that Pulitzer wrote about Kevin Burns following Burn's statement that he bought the "Roman sword" partially in an effort to discredit Pulitzer.

It's worth taking a second to highlight this aspect of what's going on here. Jason Colavito and I both wrote posts about Pulitzer's piece, which came out on February 2, 2016. The fact that we both wrote about it on February 3 is, apparently, his evidence of "Civil Collusion" (as if all the newspapers writing reviews of the same bad movie on the day after it comes out are all colluding).  The fact that Pulitzer has since deleted the original post doesn't change the fact that he wrote the post and it remains part of the Swordgate story. I directly quoted Pulitzer's words in my post about it, as did Jason in his. As far as I know, my post contains no inaccuracies: it was accurate then and it's accurate now. I provided Green with a screenshot from Pulitzer's original post just in case Pulitzer had forgotten what he wrote.
PictureScreenshot from Jovan Hutton Pulitzer's (2/2/2016) piece about "Curse of Oak Island" producer Kevin Burns.
Steve Green claims that my blog is "riddled" with "False Statements of Fact," but has yet to provide me with a single example. He says that they request that I "remove or edit statements that are not true"  and yet, again, they have not specified what those statements are despite my repeated requests. I can't very well consider changing things if they don't inform me what it is they want changed.

In my last communication to Green (1/16/2020) I again asked for: (1) clarification of which statements of mine they deem to be be untrue; (2) evidence that I control the YouTube channel that they allege I control (and that they allege has been used by me to defame Pulitzer); (3) clarification of all communications by Pulitzer to third parties about this matter.

That's where things stand now. I have removed one link to a dead article and changed the title of one link to reflect a change of the original title. That is all I have changed and that is all I intend to change unless someone can articulate a legal basis for understanding my position differently. 

Peter Kirchmeir
1/18/2020 07:00:08 am

Sorry to hear of your troubles.I hope they are settled soon.

Stephen J. Bridges
1/18/2020 08:23:47 am

What are the odds that Steve green is a real person? How about a real person and an attorney? How about real person, attorney, and can channel Roy Cohn?

Thomas Schroeder
1/18/2020 03:30:58 pm

I agree. Either Pulitzer found someone as dumb as him, or he is simply pretending to hassle Andy. I bet Pulitzer couldn't find a lawyer to do what he wanted and so just decided to make everything up. Manufacturing things up to get his way is classic Pulitzer.

Paying Attention
1/2/2021 09:34:36 pm

He testified yesterday to the Senate that "he can determine within 'seconds' if a ballot is fraudulent, and the US should give him personal permission for him and his 'forensic team' to look over every ballot in question." He then went on to "prove in real time that he hacked into the Dominion servers and that China was also hacked into it on that same day".

Sounds like nonsense, and the only people that should be convinced this is "evidence" of anything are the same people who are scammed by "Windows Tech Support" calling to give them a refund.

Paul
1/18/2020 08:32:01 am

Take heart.
"In December 2015, James McGibney was ordered to pay a $1 million anti-SLAPP court sanction and $300,000 in attorney's fees to Neal Rauhauser for filing a series of baseless lawsuits against him.[114] The ruling was temporarily reversed when the presiding judge granted McGibney's request for a new trial in February 2016, but reinstated in favor of Rauhasuer on 14 April 2016 with the SLAPP sanction against McGibney reduced from $1 million to $150,000.[115][116] The judge ruled that McGibney had filed the suits to willfully and maliciously injure Rauhauser and to deter him from exercising his constitutional right to criticize McGibney."
Apparently the nameless one is taking a page out of Wikipedia, so this, too, is straight out of Wikipedia.

An Anonymous Nerd
1/18/2020 09:03:06 am

Shades of Uri Geller and James Randi. The legal system can be a great ally to the Fringe.

-An Anonymous Nerd

No one poops
1/18/2020 11:44:27 pm

Jason Colavito's Blog
1/19/2020 01:04:44 am
"AN ANONYMOUS NERD
1/18/2020 11:56:14 am
The Fringe is well-funded, so the legal system more-often works for them than on the side of accuracy. Remember James Randi and Uri Geller? It's very depressing.

-An Anonymous Nerd"

I remember that Geller had to pay Randi substantial sums on three separate occasions and Randi never had to pay Geller ANYTHING.

So stop being a stupid idiot.

Thomas Schroeder
1/18/2020 03:26:56 pm

Jovan Hutton Pulitzer and his lawyer, Steve Green, are so fumbly and arrogant that I am sure they are reading these comments. To that end I hope they include me in any future frivolous suits that seek to combat Civil Collusion. Steve Green hardly seems like a lawyer at all, and Jovan isn't even interesting for a charlatan.

Perhaps Steve Green would be kind enough in his next convoluted communication to include a diagram of the human body and point to the exact spot where he and Jovan hurt most.

Jim
1/18/2020 08:14:24 pm

Perhaps he scanned this site with an XRF scanner to come up 100% confirmed smoking gun evidence ?

Mogimbo
1/19/2020 02:18:47 am

The whole thing is silly. There's no way any judge would want to waste time on something this weak.

Bob Jase
1/19/2020 05:30:24 am

I doubt he was any grounds to win but he knows if he annoys enough he might get you to stop. We now live in a world where truth & facts matter very little but don't let that stop you from writing both.

Peter
1/19/2020 06:57:35 am

If the TM is only filed and not registered, is it legal for Jovan to be putting TM beside his name? Needless to say, he is. Secondly, if Steve the lawyer has asserted in writing that he has proof that you own/run a Youtube channel which clearly you do not, then Steve the lawyer is a liar.

Andy White
1/19/2020 01:30:22 pm

Well, I do own a YouTube channel ( the one with my name on it), but not the one they have a problem with. Green himself did indeed assert that they have proof that I own it.

Corbett
12/30/2020 09:43:49 pm

He is now pretending to hack Georgia voter machines.

What a guy!

Jim
1/19/2020 04:15:17 pm

I wonder how many people he is going after, you, Jason, Carl, and another person commented on Carl's blog mentioned he had the same problem.
I wonder if he has hit up TreasureNet for complaints about his treasure books ?

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/general-discussion/446796-j-hutton-pulitzers-state-treasure-books-oregon-bad-information.html

Paul
1/19/2020 04:53:06 pm

Perhaps they see a couple url’s listing your website under the About tab. Interesting that 70,000+ views are shown. The unnamed one’s YouTube channel shows 112 videos with a total of 784 views. Someone thinks they are relevant but are as irrelevant as can be. Enough said.

Machala
1/20/2020 01:05:24 pm

I will pose the same observation to you that I have to Jason Colavito... Jeffry Jovan Philyaw aka Jovan Hutton Pulitzer aka J. Hutton Pulitzer, J. Jovan Philyaw or Jovan is a litigious, attention seeking little twit, who isn't worth wasting a precious second of living worrying about what he does (if he does), and what he doesn't think about. Did you even check to see if his "attorney" is a current member in good standing of the American Bar Association? I'd be a bit suspect of anyone taking Hutton's cases.

Jim
1/20/2020 02:28:46 pm

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_3_candor_toward_the_tribunal/comment_on_rule_3_3/

" Thus, for example, paragraph (a)(3) requires a lawyer to take reasonable remedial measures if the lawyer comes to know that a client who is testifying in a deposition has offered evidence that is false."

"Consequently, although a lawyer in an adversary proceeding is not required to present an impartial exposition of the law or to vouch for the evidence submitted in a cause, the lawyer must not allow the tribunal to be misled by false statements of law or fact or evidence that the lawyer knows to be false."

"The obligation prescribed in Rule 1.2(d) not to counsel a client to commit or assist the client in committing a fraud applies in litigation."

Etc., etc.

Joe Scales
1/21/2020 11:52:09 am

"Did you even check to see if his "attorney" is a current member in good standing of the American Bar Association?"

Membership in the ABA is voluntary. It's more of a political group. Lawyers are licensed to practice by each state individually when they pass the state's bar examination and become members of the state bar. A different license is required for federal courts.

Nathan Thurm
2/3/2020 01:06:20 pm

Your characterization of the ABA is "simplistic," to put it politely.

Joe Scales
2/6/2020 10:23:53 am

"Your characterization of the ABA is "simplistic," to put it politely. "

One, that wasn't polite. Two, membership in the ABA is voluntary. Three, the ABA takes political positions. Four, you're out of your element here.

Nathan Thurm
2/17/2020 10:21:08 am

Mr. Scales,

You obviously are not a lawyer and you most certainly have never served on an ABA committee or program/individual external evaluation term. Therefore it would be pointless to walk you though how out of your element that you are here. And being correct is more important than being polite.

Have a nice day.

Joe Scales
2/18/2020 10:03:10 am

Quit pretending you know what you're talking about. You don't Your mind is powered by Google and you've said nothing that contradicts the facts I've presented above. I know you can't stop, but as a courtesy to Professor White, I can.

Till your next embarrassment...

Saluki
2/20/2020 03:32:06 pm

Speaking of embarrassment I am pretty sure that this is the same Joe Scales who makes a fool of himself on Jason Colavito's blog on a regular basis. He did so in spectacular fashion a few years ago when he tried to tell one of my colleagues (college professor who also spent years serving as a career counselor for college students)who frequents the site that there was no such thing as a pre-Law major. Joe did not conduct himself well when presented with clear proof that he was wrong. It is not surprising that he would continue this trend by arguing here with someone that anyone of average intelligence and experience would understand is a lawyer. Ignore him. He lives to nitpick and start arguments about topics that he knows nothing about.

Jim
2/20/2020 06:06:38 pm

Saluki, Nathan Thurm, et al:

What's going on here is that Joe believes I am using Nathan Thurm as an alias. (I'm not)

Joe Scales:
" I know you can't stop, but as a courtesy to Professor White, I can.
Till your next embarrassment... "

This is directed at me.
I may have gotten under his skin.

Joe Scales
2/21/2020 11:14:19 am

Just to correct a misconception above. There is no stand alone major called "prelaw". You have to major in an actual field of study to be prelaw. That was the issue at the time and remains so.

Now please stop child. As a courtesy to Professor White.

Saluki
2/22/2020 08:58:47 am

Sorry but no cigar. At the time my colleague posted the link to an actual pre-law major program. If I recall you then tried to move the goal post by making the irrelevant statement that there weren't very many such programs. Didn't matter since the issue was that of presence or absence. At the time your initial assertion was proven wrong and you did not handle it well. If I had the time to waste on something this silly I would dig up the link to that discussion on Colavito's blog that includes the information on the program and post it here. A fun read if anyone wants one of the better examples of why no one who is familiar with Scales online behavior takes him seriously.

My bet would be that in his next performance Joe tries to lecture a professional archaeologist about archaeology.

Nathan Thurm
2/22/2020 10:46:24 am

Saluki,

Law school admissions committees are not overly impressed with applicants with a Pre-law major. The logic is that it is too narrow of a focus too early in one's education. That is why most Pre-law programs of study consist of a traditional major such as Political Science with a concentration in Pre-law. A similar logic extends to Pre-Med. That is why there are not many schools offering a pre-Law major compared to those that offer the concentration.

On the other hand, there are schools like Cedarville, National and Michigan State (or maybe it is one of the directional schools in Michigan) that specifically identify themselves as offering Pre-Law majors and the B.A. in Pre-law or Pre-law studies.

Sometimes if comes down to an issue of semantics. It is quite common for students to identify themselves as Pre-Law majors, and to be viewed as such, even if they are in a Pre-Law concentration rather than an official major. So, to put a colloquial spin on things, saying "Pre-law major" is correct whether one is operating in the realm of De jure or de facto.

I earned my JD at a respected program, have 20+ years of practice, served as adjunct or visiting faculty at two universities, have published 8 articles in various law reviews, and have served on several ABA committees. A common problem people like myself face is dealing with non-attorney google warriors who think that reading a couple of paragraphs on Wikipedia gives them the same insights into the legal realm as professionals. Life is too short to get caught up in debates with these people. So I'm not going to afford Mr. Scales any more time in the spotlight. Maybe he would be better served by arguing these issues with the relevant institutions and organizations.

PS: All professional organizations are by definition "political." Saying the ABA is a political group is like saying that the Southern Baptist
Convention is a religious group. No kidding. Most professional organizations are voluntary and often only a small percentage of practitioners maintain active membership in them. But that doesn't prevent many organizations from being very powerful and influential and involved in a wide range of services and activities. Not the type of thing that a jailhouse lawyer would really understand.

Nathan Thurm
2/22/2020 03:00:23 pm

Just to clarify a few things so as to avoid confusion, at least for those who do not want to remain confused:

1) Some law school selection committees are not overly impressed by a Pre-law concentration either since it is still sometimes viewed as overspecialization too early in an educational career. Therefore, both official majors and concentrations are sometimes lumped together as "major" in discussions of the merits or lack thereof of undergrad study in Pre-law. That is a separate discussion from the topic of whether or not some schools offer a Pre-Law major and specific BA degree in Pre-Law, however.

2) When it comes to schools that are unabashedly "for profit" one can probably find institutions that offer a major in just about any field of endeavor. My experience is with programs that have some degree of legitimacy and accreditation. So there may be many more schools where one can officially major in Pre-law than the few examples that come to mind for me. Anyone considering a Pre-law course of study should very carefully consider what programs are available and seek the counsel of lawyers rather than some random person on the internet. The same extends to anything resembling legal advice. I have plenty of horror stories involving people who took legal advice from Joe Scales types and deeply regretted it.

My final words on the topic.

Joe Scales
2/24/2020 07:44:46 am

Saluki, you are a liar. The link provided by "Doc Rock" to a "prelaw" major was in name only. If you chose that program from that school, you would still have to pick a true academic major like Political Science, or what have you. You are dead wrong Saluki... and what the heck... go get the link and I'll show you and rub your nose in it accordingly.

As for you with the alias Nathan Thurm. You just represented to this forum that you are an attorney, and you are actually offering legal advice in doing so. Please state your full name and where you are licensed. If you can...

Jim
2/24/2020 09:10:16 am

Pffffft.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/my-conversation-with-l-a-marzulli-and-mondo-gonzales-about-elongated-paracas-skulls

"Doc Rock
https://www.owu.edu/academics/departments-programs/department-of-politics-government/pre-law-major/"

" About the Major

Options available to students planning to go to law school include traditional majors such as history, English, economics, and politics and government, as well as supplementary course work to help you to prepare for the Law School Admission Test. An interdepartmental pre-law major also is available. If you major in pre-law, you’ll complete a second major in a traditional course of study as well as core courses in English, philosophy, history, economics, and politics and government."

https://blog.prepscholar.com/best-pre-law-schools-colleges

"Should You Actually Major in Pre-Law?

As a pre-law major, you’ll study the legal and criminal justice system, legal philosophy, writing, legal history, and more. You’ll gain a thorough understanding of the law, and will develop critical thinking skills.

If you major in pre-law, you will have a better understanding of how law school works, and you may also have an advantage on the LSAT. Being a pre-law major can also help you determine if the law path is right for you before making the commitment to go to law school. Being a pre-law major can also show your dedication to becoming a lawyer, and can help you make connections and get recommendations.

However, pre-law is not a common major for law students, and it's sometimes even seen as an “easy” major, if it’s considered a viable major at all. Many of the best pre-law schools don't offer pre-law as a major. It’s important that if you do major in pre-law, you do so at an academically rigorous college or university with strong connections to law schools. Many law schools want a well-rounded class of people from across majors, but your education will be more specialized, and you may have trouble establishing yourself in a different field if you choose not to go to law school."

Joe Scales
2/24/2020 10:13:28 am

"If you major in pre-law, you’ll complete a second major in a traditional course of study as well...

Thank you Jim for proving my point. Though your support is appreciated, it's not needed to counter these googlers. Plus... you don't truly understand it anyway.

Mic drop

Jim
2/24/2020 11:01:42 am

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/graham-hancock-doesnt-quite-square-the-circle-when-discussing-earthworks

Joe Scales:

"Prelaw isn't a major, you imbecile."

https://www.campusexplorer.com/college-advice-tips/87D396F4/6-Most-Popular-Colleges-for-Pre-Law-Majors/

"Located in Buies Creek, North Carolina, Campbell University is among the top choices for pre-law majors."

"Barry University is unique in that it offers a pre-law major. The entire program is set up to prepare students for law school following their graduation."

https://blog.prepscholar.com/best-pre-law-schools-colleges

"Michigan State offers a pre-law major"

"Nova Southeastern is a little different than the other schools on this list because of its thorough pre-law (legal studies) major that offers an undergraduate law degree."

As usual Joe is wrong, bye bye Joe.

Sandi
2/24/2020 01:19:13 pm

Retired paralegal now aspiring archaeologist here who was involved with the initial processing of applications for entry level positions at the firm where I worked for several years prior to retirement. We received a number of application packages from law school graduates which included undergraduate transcripts showing a Pre-Law major. We never kept track of numbers of applicants who had majored in Pre-Law or another major or a Pre-Law concentration Political Science major because the only concern was the quality of the program where the J.D. was earned. We also received a few applications from people who had graduated with a B.A. major in Pre-Law but had not entered law school and were seeking a position as a paralegal. There were plenty of other applicants with paralegal degrees so we only considered those application packages.

Whether or not a Pre-Law major is superior or inferior to another major for Law School applicants is beyond my pay grade. But they do exist. As I stated, in the long run it is the quality of J.D. program that matters the most.

F. Lee Bailey
2/24/2020 03:05:47 pm

Pre-Law at National University is a stand alone Pre-law major that grants a Bachelor's degree in Prelaw. The program description and degree requirements are in the link below.

https://www.nu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/19-NU-1080-Bachelor-of-Arts-in-Pre-Law-Studies.pdf

It is approved by the American Bar Association.

Joe Scales
2/25/2020 07:44:55 am

"As usual Joe is wrong, bye bye Joe."

No Jim. As usual, you do not understand the topic. Anything can be a "prelaw" major. You can major in music and be prelaw and go to law school with such a degree. But there is no stand alone discipline known as prelaw that doesn't require you to major in an actual field of study. You don't get a degree in "prelaw"... well, unless maybe you fall for one online.

Jim. Jim. Jim. You simply cannot understand words and google will not help you. I do not like to engage you because I can't beat stupid Jim. I also cannot beat crazy. Natural inferences in language escape you Jim. I've seen you berate me and others for using synonyms Jim. Synonyms. There are your "gotchas", and forgive me for not wishing to wallow in your mental retardation. So yes Jim. In this regard, you are winning. And as we know you cannot stop and will take this post count into the hundreds if I engage further... I would spare Professor White the indignity; even if you cannot.

Meatloaf
2/25/2020 09:47:40 am

A call to the Cedarville University Department of History and Government confirmed the information on their website. They offer a Pre-Law major and students graduate with a B.A. in Pre-Law. An additional call to the Cedarville University Records Office confirmed that graduates of the program are specifically identified as
Pre-Law majors on their official transcripts issued by the university following graduation.

Joe Scales
2/26/2020 09:07:17 am

"Cedarville’s distinctly Christian pre law major provides you with a classic liberal arts education while studying contemporary legal systems in a biblical context. You will be prepared to succeed in law school and ready to influence the world for Christ, wherever He leads you."

Yeah, you'll go far with that one. Just be sure to bring your bible with you... you imbecile.

And here it was I thought this board was for academics...

Jim
2/26/2020 10:18:06 am

Joe Scales, what is your point ?

You said there were no prelaw majors and you were wrong PERIOD.

Joe Scales
2/27/2020 07:21:39 am

No Jim. The only thing that is clear is that you don't understand what you google. Once again.

Also that you have to have the last word, because you're not only an imbecile, but you're a crazed cyber-stalker. You should read what you write man... as if you're not mentally unbalanced. But hey, you're too old to change. And today is Thursday, by the way...

Saluki
3/8/2020 02:51:44 pm

As I was saying, speaking of embarrassment.

Meatloaf
3/8/2020 09:40:35 pm

I contacted two other programs referenced in this discussion. Both provided the same confirmation that I received from Cedarville regarding Pre-Law majors. I won't post the names here. Because I doubt that their faculty and students would enjoy being publically denigrated by the likes of Joe Scales simply because the existence of these programs have demonstrated him to be ignorant of a particular academic topic. Also, I'm not in the mood to be further insulted by someone who has become increasingly paranoid and aggressive toward anyone who offers information that does not fit into his irrational version of reality. The matter is resolved anyway so additional efforts to point out Joe scale's general lack of knowledge would simply be redundant at this point.

Im not a lawyer but I play one on TV
3/11/2020 06:13:11 pm

Joe Scales= Captain Queeg in the trial scene in The Caine Mutiny.

I used geometric logic to prove that the pre-law major doesn't exist. Now where are those strawberries.

Doc Rock
3/14/2020 09:56:00 pm

Well, I had heard rumors that a member of the kiddie table had escaped the playpen and toddled over here and had invoked my name. However, it looks like the adults got the situation well in hand. But yeah, pre-law majors are quite obviously a real thing although there aren't many of them and yeah Joe tends to look silly when he strays outside his very narrow lane and tries to interact with real professionals. 'Nuff said, although given his tendency to try to save face by getting in the last word Joe will likely pop up eventually and try to say more.

I'll be in the lounge if anyone needs me.

Joe Scales
3/21/2020 09:39:52 am

I don't know why you will continue to mislead people Doc when it was shown above that the "prelaw" major you pointed out to me actually requires that you major in a proven field of study. You claim victory solely from pedantic intellectual dishonesty. All anyone has to do is ask an actual lawyer in regard to this distinction. Doubt you'll find one with a degree in "prelaw" hanging on their wall. Not a properly licensed one, that is.

With that said... yeah, I'm done. Thanks for the opportunity to once again clarify this for you Doc. Now play nice.

Holden
4/1/2020 09:18:35 am

National University does indeed have a Pre-Law Studies Major and grants a Pre-Law degree. This can be confirmed by contacting Mr.. Hance who directs the program and holds a law degree.

Doc Rock
4/17/2020 11:35:16 am

So, long story short, pre-law is a thing and people should never get too cocky about presence versus absence of particular things.

Chad, you owe me a pitcher of beer for dragging me into this. But it's over now.

Jim
1/21/2020 06:39:14 pm

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/publications/youraba/2018/december-2018/when-is-it-okay-for-a-lawyer-to-lie--/

"Everyone knows that lawyers are not allowed to lie — to clients, courts or third parties."

Chad Olivier
3/15/2020 02:39:24 pm

Please don't give Joe Scales any more attention than he has already recived here. Mr. Jason Colavito just had to institute a new moderation policy on his bog because of recent flame wars. Joe come in as a close second in discussions in the comments section of the blog about those whose poor behavior created the mess.

Rachel
3/16/2020 10:01:34 am

Flame wars are nothing new on that site. People were practically begging Colavito to crack down on the same easily identified cast of troublemakers two years ago. The only thing that he did was to issue Obama-like "cut it out" warnings. Why Colavito is now pushing a narrative that trolls and flaming have suddenly emerged as a problem after letting Joe and company run wild for years is a curious turn of events.

Harold Edwards
3/15/2020 09:13:39 am

Andy, I am amazed that you have this problem. I think you are ill served by the legal advice you have been given. It is the law in the United States for each litigant in most situations to pay his own legal fees. This makes it attractive for aggressive individuals to threaten to sue or sue over frivolous matters with the hope the defendant will settle to avoid litigation fees. However in this situation Mr. Pulitzer has handed his head to you on a platter. All you need to do is stuff an apple in its mouth and pop it in the oven. Under the First Amendment, a private citizen can make extravagant and untruthful claims at will. Mr. Pulitzer: A. claims his statements are true, and B. you have hurt him in his commercial practice. As such his claims are commercial speech and his right to make false and/or misleading statements are prohibited by law. I believe Mr. Pulitzer is a resident of Frisco,.Texas. He has also entered the state of South Carolina by mail to threaten you. Each state has deceptive trade practices laws that if you prevail will allow you to recover your legal fees and enjoin Mr. Pulitzer from making further false statements. You have the option in either state of suing him yourself or asking the state's Attorney General to take action. I advise you to have your attorney write the attorney general of each state to take action against Mr. Pulitzer. You are a professional working in South Carolina. What is South Carolina's Attorney General doing to protect you? This is an election year. Good luck!

Joe Scales
3/21/2020 09:31:58 am

"I think you are ill served by the legal advice you have been given..."

Perhaps because they have a degree in "pre-law"...

Mr. Ed the Dead Horse
3/21/2020 02:03:28 pm

Poor Joe. Information on university websites, calls to several schools to confirm the existence of a pre-Law major, and comments here by professionals in the field of law confirm the obvious. Joe lectures people on how to act on an academic blog but then threw a decidedly unacademic tantrum when it was confirmed that Cedarville has a pre-law major. I'm sensing some mental instability here.

Joe's grasp of the legal is limited to the fact that some time ago he picked up on the brilliant observation that homeowners insurance can cover some lawsuits. He has been rehashing this on social media for at least 5 years now. He is like a child who learns a new term or concept and becomes so fixated on it that they try to work it into every conversation. Somehow this makes him an expert on all aspects of the legal world and puts him in a position to deny reality and insult anyone who states otherwise.

It took him weeks to work up the nerve to come back and make another run at re-starting a debate that is over. But he is still back. Whats the old definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.



Joe kent
1/20/2024 05:35:21 pm

Add William Peace University to the list of schools with a Pre-Law major.

Newport beach family lawyers link
8/25/2022 11:15:54 am

Then, he asserted that "each statement provided to your University, State Investigators, Academic Boards and such are all based on information and screenshots taken directly from your owned and managed blogs, etc. Thank you, amazing post!

Property division in divorce link
8/25/2022 11:40:24 am

The fact that Pulitzer has since deleted the original post doesn't change the fact that he wrote the post and it remains part of the Swordgate story. Thank you for making this such an awesome post!


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