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High-Tech Antediluvian Giants: A 1976 Seventh-Day Adventist Sermon

6/30/2016

23 Comments

 
PictureI still haven't found the original source of this image, but I'm guessing it's from a Seventh-day Adventist publication. Anyone know?
I finally found the sermon that I mentioned in yesterday's blog post about the "giant" 5'10" Neanderthals of the Near East. It is a 1976 sermon by Harold E. Shull titled "Giants in the Earth," archived here in Ministry. Ministry describes itself as an international journal for pastors, the content of which is mostly produced and read by Seventh-day Adventist pastors and ministers.  

This post is mostly to bookmark the sermon so I don't lose track of it again.

Shull's sermon is a mash-up of references from the Bible and quotes from Ellen G. White, the main founding visionary of the Seventh-day Adventist church. Shull hits the main points of White's vision of the antediluvian world and its population of gigantic, long-lived, and incredibly smart people, asking what this would have meant for the state of human society and technology before the Flood:

"Could illustrious scholars of our time be placed in contrast with men of the same age who lived before the Flood, they would appear as greatly inferior in mental as in physical strength. As the years of man have decreased, and his physical strength has diminished, so his mental capacities have lessened. There are men who now apply themselves to study during a period of from twenty to fifty years, and the world is filled with admiration of their attainments. But how limited are these acquirements in comparison with those of men whose mental and physical powers were developing for centuries." —Patriarchs and Prophets, pp. 82, 83. What about the level of technology before the Flood? "There perished in the Flood greater inventions of art and human skill than the world knows of to day"--The SDA Bible Commentary, Ellen G. White Comments, on Gen. 6:4, p. 1089. The servant of God adds, "More was lost in the Flood, in many ways, than men today know.""

Despite a complete lack of evidence, the idea that humans today are "degenerated" from our "bigger, better, and smarter" forbears is promoted today among Seventh-day Adventists such as Dr. Ben Carson and Young Earth Creationists like Joe Taylor and Kent Hovind. It shows up in 1950's creationism and early 20th century Baptist ideas about Flood geology and the antediluvian world. It has its roots prior to Ellen G. White's writings of the late 1800's. This 1976 sermon is another data point linking the transfer of these ideas through time. The "bigger, better, smarter" version of Christian thinking on giants stands in stark contrast to the evil currents of the Nephilim whirlpool.

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Uncle Ron
6/30/2016 12:18:55 pm

This is just one more example of how so much of Christian teaching is (despite the Good News!) devoted to telling us that we humans are stupid, inferior, and sinful. I am saddened beyond words when I hear my religious friends credit every good thing in their lives, every happiness, every accomplishment, to God, yet when things go wrong they accept the blame like a whipped puppy.

Sorry - this really hit a nerve. :-)

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Yuki Terumi link
8/4/2020 11:33:28 am

@Uncle Ron It seems that you do not really understand the history that the Bible records in Genesis and yet you try to stick only to the New Testament despite the fact that its whole foundation is in Genesis. Humans are sinful and evil by nature after Adam's sin and this can be seen by everyone, noone can keep the commandments without sinning, this is why Jesus, the only sinless person, died on the Cross, to pay the fine for our sins and grand us the way for salvation.

According to the Bible and almost all other ancient history, humans have been degenerating since the fall (and especially after the worldwide flood) in genetics which in turn affected their capabilities and longetivity, contrast to what the false religion of naturalism says, but the gigantic sizes of some individuals are not related to this, there were giants but it was not due to the superior genetics since even before Noah's Flood they were generally considered as enemy to normal humans. Adam and Noah were regular humans with much superior genetics to the post-flood civilizations.

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Yuki Terumi link
8/4/2020 11:42:46 am

The point is that even though giants were roaming the lands, the patriarch genealogies from Adam and so on were not giants but normal humans whose genetics have been periodically degrading after the fall along with all other humans as well, both before and after Noah's Flood the giants were considered as hostile and dangerous although some people in history recorded a few cases of having civilized relationships with them.

Andy White
8/11/2020 06:47:21 am

I was unaware that the Bible discussed genetics.

Xellos
9/2/2020 01:16:15 pm

Has there been any fossil record of giant men? If not what's this disagreement about? Neanderthals were larger and more knowledgable about cold climate living than early homosapians. Teaching and interbreeding left us with these genes to this day. Or is this a faith based anti science issue?

Alberto Cuadra
4/10/2021 09:13:04 am

"after Adam's sin " And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 1 timothy 2.14

Alberto Cuadra
4/10/2021 09:24:37 am

"According to the Bible and almost all other ancient history, humans have been degenerating since the fall (and especially after the worldwide flood) in genetics which in turn affected their capabilities and longetivity, contrast to what the false religion of naturalism says, but the gigantic sizes of some individuals are not related to this, there were giants but it was not due to the superior genetics since even before Noah's Flood they were generally considered as enemy to normal humans. Adam and Noah were regular humans with much superior genetics to the post-flood civilizations." That's right Yuki

Ken Lentz
6/30/2016 03:01:06 pm

How can they claim a pre-flood high technology civilization which left no evidence of any materials other than the usual rocks, wood and animal products? Any advanced technology civilization most assuredly would have developed advanced materials - exotic metallic alloys, probably plastics, composite materials, advanced ceramics, etc. While the machines and structures may well have been destroyed, where are remnants of the material from which they were built?

Almost all modern day technological developments were preceded by high-tech materials which made those developments possible.

The same argument holds true for evidence of 'ancient aliens' and their UFOs.

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Bob Jase
6/30/2016 04:21:24 pm

So before the 'flood' humans were geniuses with amazing tech that makes ours look primitive yet none of them could cobble together a raft?

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Riel
7/27/2018 05:57:20 pm

If God wants, God does. Men with all their power and strength can’t do anything against God

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Andy White
6/30/2016 05:41:50 pm

It's really not significantly different from the claims of the "Ice Age Civilization" people who think there was an advanced "mother culture" that gave rise to all the daughter civilizations around the world after some great cataclysm. There's a lot of "evidence" overlap between Young Earth Creationists and the Ice Age Civilization people also: OOP-Arts, "how could they have moved those big rocks," claims for the great age of the Sphinx, etc.

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Bob Jase
6/30/2016 07:10:01 pm

Well the problem is that the vanished Ice Age Civilization built everything out of ice - even their tools were made of tempered Pyecrete - so all evidence melted away. Damn shame, their Earth/Moon elevator (using counterbalancing icebergs) woulda saved the cost of the space race.

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Scott Williams
7/1/2016 08:35:01 am

Huh- does this mean Ken Ham has to rebuild his giant Noah's ark attraction to account for Noah and his family all being 14 feet tall?

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Bob Jase
7/1/2016 08:52:02 am

Hmmm...yes, yes he does but he also has to build a bigger ark as the pre-diluvian cubit must have been bigger than the modern cubit as its based on human antatomy, i.e.: the distance from the elbow to the fingertips.

Unless the Nephilim had tiny Trump-like hands instead of proportionally large ones..

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Jesse Rios
12/20/2018 09:55:09 pm

Wow. Makes sense. Good point.

Oscar Rebus
5/8/2017 11:08:42 am

The idea, offered up by various Seventh Day Adventists that I know, regarding the fact that Noah and his family were giants, flies in the face of the Scriptural and extra-Biblical writings (e.g., Book of Enoch) which state that humans prior to the Great Flood were of "normal stature" when contrasted to the Nephilim giants created by the fallen angels and the (normal sized) daughters of men. In particular, God did not bring the Flood upon the Earth to punish so much as to purify. Noah and his family were found to be pure (genetically-- and not giant Nephilim offspring). In order for the Christ to be an "unblemished lamb" suitable to be sacrificed for the sins of his elect, he could not have the genetics of the fallen angels in his fully-human body. The Great Flood of Noah wiped out the genetic perversions of the fallen angels (for a time) and assured that the Christ would be born to a fully human woman so that he might fulfill his propitiatory task.

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Michael Weaver link
6/11/2018 07:09:30 am

Just another prospective... Son's of God...Daughter's of men are referring to whom they trusted in. For instance when Jesus tells the people in John 8, Ye are of your father the devil. He is clearly showing it is who's actions they follow, or what fruit they are producing. This is in comparison if you trust in the Father. This has zero to do with Angel's procreating. As a matter of fact, it speaks that it is not possible- Mark 12:25 speaks that we will be like the angels after the second coming. Again, with the "unblemished" lamb, this is talking about him not committing sin, ie(sin is the breaking of the law), he never broke the Law of God, which is the 10 commandments.

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Kuya Ryan
7/29/2022 08:23:39 pm

They were not fallen angels, they were the descendants of Cain

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Marco
5/11/2018 06:59:28 pm

Hello, I am looking an old documents from Joseph B. Pierce, Director of
THE BIBLE RESEARCH FELLOWSHIP. He made wrote several studies about Daniel and evolution and creationism in 1976. I found some of his writes but are incomplete, I found this in Central America about 5 years ago and try to find Moore, maybe you know the way.

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Yuki Terumi link
8/4/2020 11:14:28 am

Although the superior ancient genetics, intelligence, knowledge, strengh, lifespan and overall abilitites are evident from all civilizations, the gigantic sizes for the normal humans seem very ridiculous and unbiblical, there were definitely some giants, even post-flood but none of the patriachs was a giant. It would be really strange if Adam, the first man was a giant and not a normal human, made in the Image of God. Adam and all the antediluvian patriachs were regular humans with superior genetics than anyone after Noah's Flood.

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Yuki Terumi link
8/4/2020 11:23:29 am

Just to add to the previous comment after reading all the article, according to the Bible and other ancient history, humans have obviously degenerated by a lot since the fall in both capabilities and longetivity, contrast to what the false religion of naturalism says, but the gigantic sizes are unrelated to this, there were giants but it was not due to the superior genetics since even before Noah's Flood they were generally considered as enemy to normal humans

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Alberto Jose Cuadra
4/10/2021 10:03:08 am

It is simple math. What do you do with your time after you are 200 years old and the strength of a 25-year-old boy? Well, to think , create and invent. But this, if the "good spirit" accompanied you. But one thing is that you have had the wisdom and knolowge and the other is that you have materialized. From what we deduce from Genesis is that sin enthroned the vast majority of men and instead of creating that advanced technological society, they were filled with vanity, lust, pride, unfair competition and therefore violence (except for nerds of the time) It was approximately 2000 thousand years, the antidiluvian era is true. And men lived an average of 500 years, but one thing is that they have had enough time for wisdom and intelligence and the other is that they have taken advantage of it (sin brutalizes) that the supposed technology has materialized. And I think the spirit of wisdom was kept in only in the line of Set until it reached Noah and from there until it reached Abraham ...Even the tower (pyramid of Babel) of Babel and the city were the creation of this line ...

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Patty
3/1/2022 02:47:42 am

Also after the flood, God said let the days of man be 120 years, God decided people shouldn't live as long as they did before the flood.

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