Could the Swords be from Spain?

1/13/2016

An alert reader of this blog (James Lawrence) commented on this post today with the following:

"One (possible) interesting point I discovered (as I spent a few minutes googling 'hercules and two lions' (assuming those are lions), is that the Andalusian Coat of Arms depicts Hercules with two lions.

Seville (Andalusia Spain) has a rather famous statue of Hercules and two lions (Hercules is the mythical founder of [Seville]).

It may very well point to an origin of the original sword (used for all these reproductions) in Spain (Seville/Andalusian region specifically) versus Naples/Italy."

This was news to me, and potentially significant. I know that a lot of people (myself included) having been dredging through whatever information we can find online to try to identify an "original" Roman sword from or in the Naples/Pompeii region of Italy, with no success. Maybe we've been digging in the wrong spot. Could the swords be Spanish rather than Italian?

The first image shown below is a statue in Seville, Spain (image source). The second is a statue in Rondo, Spain (image source). Here's another statue in Seville of Hercules with two lions.

Hercules with two lions, Seville, Spain.

Hercules with two lions, Rondo, Spain.

Peter Geuzen

1/13/2016 03:25:43 pm

Cadiz, Spain - lots of symbology of Hercules with two lions at his sides or at his feet

historical variants of the Coats of Arms and monuments:

http://www.ngw.nl/heraldrywiki/index.php?title=C%C3%A1diz
http://hadrian6.tumblr.com/post/48810704922/hercules-monument-to-cadiz-parliament-of-1812
https://sites.google.com/site/simbolosdeandalucia/el-escudo-de-andalucia
http://www.f1online.de/de/bild-details/3776732.html
http://universoandalucista.blogspot.ca/2010/04/breve-historia-del-escudo-de-andalucia.html
http://www.todocoleccion.net/coleccionismo-ceniceros/cenicero-hierro-o-metal-escudo-cadiz-dominator-hercules-fundator~x48113338
http://www.todocoleccion.net/sellos-isabel-II/antiguo-sello-100-pesetas-ayuntamiento-cadiz-timbre-municipal-hercules-dominator-fundator~x41410484

gotta make dinner...thats it for now

Andy White

1/14/2016 07:26:27 am

Thanks Peter - those are some great images.

Do you think it's time for another comparative composite now that there are two more?

Peter Geuzen

1/14/2016 11:36:53 am

Sure, I can get to it tonight. Man, its hard keeping up!

Andy White

1/14/2016 11:59:07 am

I know - no rest for the truth squad. And the pay stinks.

j m hume

1/13/2016 04:10:52 pm

A spanish sword would continue the columbus theme from the show last week--- if the sword is 500 years old.

Dan P

1/13/2016 05:37:41 pm

Wait, so Columbus was a Roman? This is awesome!

Stop denying the truth Andy.

Pablo

1/14/2016 05:09:01 am

I'm curious, what "truth" is he denying? Because the "roman" sword is not truth until evidence is shown and there's no white paper in sight.

Andy White

1/14/2016 07:24:59 am

Stand down, Pablo. Dan's a friend of mine. He's just giving me a hard time, 'cause that's how he rolls.

Pablo

1/15/2016 04:16:35 pm

oops, sorry; sometimes I make comments right after a cup of coffee.

Peter Geuzen

1/13/2016 06:26:39 pm

Hot off the press:

http://www.inquisitr.com/2704626/oak-island-roman-sword-j-hutton-pulitzer-jeffrey-jovan-philyaw/

Andy White

1/13/2016 07:24:19 pm

Thanks Peter.

Matti J.

1/13/2016 07:38:01 pm

I practiced some Google-fu and found one more sword for sale in France: http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,330676124,var,glaive,language,F.html#description

Killbuck

1/13/2016 09:37:58 pm

At this point, I'm going to look under my couch cushions- there's bound to be one of them in there too.

Rose McDonald

1/14/2016 12:42:57 am

I'll check my junk drawer....

Andy White

1/14/2016 07:27:15 am

Crap - I didn't realize the couch cushion line had already been used. I'm changing today's post.

Andy White

1/14/2016 07:29:59 am

Nice! Thanks.

Rose McDonald

1/14/2016 12:29:12 am

Thanks for the Tuck information on the sword. I stopped watching the show because of the huge pile of horse manure piling up between the money pit and 10X.
It's worse than boring, it's beginning to smell like an incredible (in any way you want to use the word) hoax.
The last straw was the glimpse they gave of "the sword' near the end of last season.I was a Classics major in college. 'nuff said?

Andy White

1/14/2016 02:36:20 am

But, Rose, you just didn't recognize it as a Roman sword because it's such a fantastic, unique artifact. Oh wait - they're all over the place? Well that's because this sword is so famous that they've been making copies and handing them out like party favors.

Rose McDonald

1/14/2016 12:35:30 pm

Horrors! How could I have missed such a magnificent specimen? I'm almost tempted to order one. Think JHP has a few extras?

Rose McDonald

1/16/2016 12:17:07 pm

I was so excited about the sword stuff I almost forgot,,, while I was rummaging through my junk drawer I found a unicorn that farts rainbows. It's out in the backyard.. Do you think I could get the Laginas interested in it?

cort

1/15/2016 08:50:16 am

Monaco and surrounding coastal areas have a strong identification with the lore of Hercules as well. The Torre de Hercules lighthouse is thought to be Roman in origin and was a Prime Meridian. It is in A Coruna Spain in Galicia.

Victor

9/4/2020 06:49:07 pm

Hi, how are you? about what swords are you talking about? Can you post a picture, please.

Thank you

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