And a Very Merry Swordgate to You!

12/26/2016

As we enter Year 2, Swordgate promises to be the gift that keeps on giving. I pulled these images out the Fake Hercules Swords archives so you could benefit from all the hard work we've been doing. I lost track of who made some of these so I'm not going to bother to try to credit them. Enjoy the fruits of our important efforts!

94 Comments

Jim

12/26/2016 07:47:10 am

I am just wondering whether anyone has had any actual contact with Hutton Pulitzer ? Has he been 100% confirmed ? How do we know that he is not some clever animation constructed by Pixar ?
The similarities between himself and a cartoon seem to be overwhelmingly evident. Does anyone know for sure ?

Only Me

12/26/2016 07:56:45 am

Thank you to Andy and everyone who created these images. My day has begun with a healthy dose of laughter.

Peter Geuzen

12/26/2016 08:32:36 am

The snowman is photoshopped. The rest?

Andy White

12/26/2016 09:12:54 am

As far as I know, the rest have all been 100 percent confirmed as authentic.

Ryan Gold

12/26/2016 10:13:23 am

Occasional reader here. I'm always hoping to see your opinions on other fridge topics beside the sword too. The one I'm hearing a lot about involves possible ancient ruins in Antartica. Now I would usually just dismiss this as crazy fringe if it wasn't for a military officer I spoke to 5 years ago and said they investigated and found something but could not say more. There is also a strange map from 1500s that shows the coast line before we could use modern technology to confirm this. Can you please do a report on this? Is it even possible for the area not to be frozen 12k years ago and could people live there?

Only Me

12/26/2016 10:48:18 am

Since I think you're referring to the Piri Reis Map, this article will explain why it doesn't show Antarctica, as claimed:

http://www.badarchaeology.com/old-maps/the-piri-reis-map/

As to the "ancient ruins", that stems from two bogus claims: that Antarctica is the mythical Atlantis and pyramids have been found there. Neither claim is true. This article addresses the pyramid claim:

http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2016/11/mega-pyramid-mania-antarctica/

Here's another that answers your last question:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/thursday-roundup-micah-hanks-ponders-time-travel-fiction-atlantis-in-antarctica-redux-and-more

Ryan Gold

12/26/2016 12:48:19 pm

Thank you! There are a number of articles going around mentioning some film crew is missing due to what they found. Here's one of them:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2380220/shock-claims-massive-civilisation-lies-frozen-beneath-a-mile-of-ice-in-the-south-pole/

Only Me

12/26/2016 03:12:03 pm

You're welcome.

I noticed the scare quotes around the word confirmed. Unsurprising, given the article managed to mention the melting pot of fringe ideas behind this claim. Aliens, Nazis, lost civilizations, underground cities, pyramids, Atlantis...the only things missing are giants and Nephilim!

Jim

12/26/2016 03:58:06 pm

No Viking Templars mentioned either.

Ryan Gold

12/26/2016 09:04:36 pm

Yeah good point!!! I see you also comment on Jason's blog too. How and why do these stories get reported. Seems like fake news for ads

Ryan Gold

12/26/2016 09:43:04 pm

This was a crazy story and dead on arrival. Appears what happened is that Indiana Hutton Jones did not know how to read the XRF machine and simply misinterpreted the data. Like most fringers his excitement of emotion overtook his rational mind and he become convinced it was genuine. He probably thought the zinc would be high but not as high as it actually was (hence the double talk) as no artifact in ancient times has levels of zinc or lead that high. The equipment and methods used by St. Mary's is pretty state of the art and so not sure why any one would conclude its anything other than a modern replica. I am very curious however about the Professor's at St. Mary's additional notes that the casting process has some blue thing that relates to a process used in Naples. Hutton alleged that the Oak Island sword is connected to two known sisters, one originally from Naples. Any information on these swords as I'm having trouble finding anything online? Also how did Hutton know about these supposed ancient swords anyway - one in private hands, one connected to Naples museum (the professor did suggest the replica was possibly casted there ), and even yet how did he know about the Curse of Oak Island one before the TV show aired?

Jim

12/26/2016 10:30:40 pm

Ryan : Andy has pretty much covered everything in numerous blog entries on the fake swords covered here ( from most recent to oldest )

http://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/blog/category/fake-hercules-swords

Some of his antics may be explained considering he tried to cash in on the story by pre-selling orders of his supposed book on the story called "Solomon's Secret". The book has been paid for by some, and never been released. It is long, long, long, over due and has been postponed and lied about many times by Hutton.

http://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/blog/serious-question-is-solomons-secret-available

Ryan Gold

12/27/2016 01:10:44 pm

So sounds like one big hoax to sell a book? Is that AAPS group he made the annoucement with still involved in this?

Kill Bill

12/27/2016 12:34:44 pm

So found something interesting...

According to Hutton the Roman sword found off of Oak Island is supposed to be part of an original ancient collection, with two known sisters one from Naples and another in the hands of private collector.

The private art collector's name is David Xavier Kenney, a Roman antiquities expert and owner of art and artifact collection in South Beach, FL and appraiser to wealthy collectors, like Prince of Monaco.

From 1975 to 1976 David Kenney was a member of the Naples Archaeological Society and Naples National Archaeological Museum.

Apparently the one from the museum is no longer there but David surely known about it when it was part of the collection in the 70's and either A) found its sister B) took possession of it or C) casted replicas.

According to David's very detailed description of the sword which he describes as a sword statue, he purchased it from an Art Collector from the Netherlands, and says it originated in Germany, but thinks it was from the Balkans given a similar Hercules symbol was found on a plate.

More details on his site, its the third one down from the top: http://romanofficer.com/roman_amazon_artifacts/RomanAmazonBU081912.html#Hercules

Insights:

- David states that his sword was made using the lost wax casting technique, not the common ancient technique or the modern free machining process that Dr. Christa Brosseau suspects was used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost-wax_casting#Greek.2C_Roman_and_Mediterranean

- David states that his sword statue's blade's edge and tip are blunt since its purpose was not a weapon. So this would concur with Myles McCallum's assessment as well but he was evaluating the item as a weapon and not as votive symbol. Myles also questions the weathering and admits he has no experience with maritime sites. One has to think its also very possible the item was in the sand or protected in someway.

http://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/blog/comments-of-myles-mccallum-about-the-nova-scotia-sword

- Another huge connection to Naples is given by Dr. Christa Brosseau as given by the above comment is extremely interesting:

"It is likely that this reproduction originated in Naples, or somewhere nearby, given the presence of Prussian Blue in the patina. Someone familiar with restoration of Italian bronzes may have been involved in its production." http://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/blog/summary-of-the-analysis-of-the-nova-scotia-sword-performed-by-christa-brosseau

Perhaps its possible that using the lost wax casting technique with material from mines that have high naturally occurring zinc the ancient Romans could have crafted something that resembles modern brass. I'm still doing research in this area and will let you know what i find.

Lastly, I'm convinced their is a definite connection between David's sword and the Oak Island sword to Naples given David's involvement. Perhaps David informed Hutton somehow about the original one, made up the back story, or Hutton knew about David's (which he acquired from Naples) and gave this cover story to conceal David's involvement.

Either way David Kenney is critical to the investigation and key for unraveling this mystery. What is his actual connection to Hutton??

Only Me

12/27/2016 01:53:09 pm

I'm more interested in why you seemingly want Pulitzer's claim to be true.

"Myles also questions the weathering and admits he has no experience with maritime sites."

What he actually said was:

"I work with artifacts found in terrestrial contexts, not from maritime sites, but there was just too much of the artifact intact (not enough weathering), and the patina on it seemed a bit fake (you could see that it covered only parts of the figure’s face and body, but did not penetrate into the many nooks and crannies. Also, the patina itself is not consistent with what I know of water or lake patinas, that are generally yellowish in colour, not grey or green."

That's not the same as "no experience." In fact, he went on to say:

"The fact that the sword had not disintegrated quite rapidly after being removed from its watery grave is highly suspect. Without conservation, one would expect the salt crystals that would have formed in the cavities and crevices of the object to rapidly advance oxidation, and large chunks would have been missing from the artifact as a result. This is not the case."

And that "huge connection to Naples"? Did you not pay attention to what Brosseau said? I'll emphasize the relevant part for you:

"It is likely that THIS REPRODUCTION originated in Naples, or somewhere nearby, given the presence of Prussian Blue in the patina."

You still haven't addressed why calling the sword a votive instead of a weapon changes its material composition. After all, you said:

"But the fact does remain that the two people who tested it did that assuming it was a weapon not a votive and did not about the properties of the mine which apparently all the originals are traced to."

Also, how many alleged "originals" are there? Pulitzer initially claimed only the Oak Island sword was genuine.

Jim

12/27/2016 02:31:23 pm

HuttonI,,,, I am sure that David Kenney, does not need, nor want you to make up lies about him or his qualifications.
Here is his own Bio:

http://www.romanofficer.com/Bio.htm

You said
"The private art collector's name is David Xavier Kenney, a Roman antiquities expert and owner of art and artifact collection in South Beach, FL and appraiser to wealthy collectors, like Prince of Monaco."

What a pile of crap. Nowhere does he claim to be a " a Roman antiquities expert", nor does he have an educational background in history.
And when you say "and appraiser to wealthy collectors, like Prince of Monaco." it is an outright lie of your making. Here is what he says :
"1985: With the High Patronage of HSH Prince Rainier III of Monaco and various notables, created and produced the "Surrealist Ball," a fundraiser for the French Symphony of Boston given at the Lafayette Hotel (now the Hyatt Regency), Boston. "

Stop dragging other people into your web of lies and deceits, just stop it !!!!

Kill Bill

12/28/2016 01:31:29 am

You seem to always ingnore the important stuff like the lox wax casting technique. Why do you do that Jim?

Jim

12/28/2016 02:29:00 am

I just don't see what salmon have to do with it at all !

Jim

12/27/2016 07:24:38 pm

And a further note, here "Kill Bill" seems to insinuate that David somehow stole his sword from the Naples museum and collaborated with Hutton to keep this secret.

" Lastly, I'm convinced their is a definite connection between David's sword and the Oak Island sword to Naples given David's involvement. Perhaps David informed Hutton somehow about the original one, made up the back story, or Hutton knew about David's (which he acquired from Naples) and gave this cover story to conceal David's involvement."

David then proceeds to post detailed photos of the stolen sword and a complete description on his public website !!!!
I would say you just can't make this up, but apparently you can !

Also David supposedly knew all about original (bone-fide sword) in the museum, but completely failed to mention it in his lengthy description of his sword, even though it would have given his sword instant credibility.

Ryan Gold

12/27/2016 01:12:28 pm

The plot thickens. Anyone talk to David?

Jim

12/27/2016 07:47:29 pm

Lol,, did you mean, the plop thickens ?

Kill Bill

12/27/2016 11:38:41 pm

Jim get off your high horse. I am simply referring to how others including Hutton have referred to him as the Roman Antiquties expert and a Prince is still a prince of Monaco no matter how you cut it.

That said I'm very concerned about his background and affiliation with the Naples museum. It's also strange that there is no mention in his documentation about a Naples sword. All we have to go on is from Hutton and some old antiquities film that once listed it as part of the collection. Either way it's possible they colluded on this as a hoax but what is their motive? Or they are collaborating and not revealing their hand?

Jim

12/28/2016 04:17:16 am

Get off my high horse Hutton ? I don't ever remember you even acknowledging David Kenney existence previous to now!
When you stole his research and used it as your own at the onset of this whole swordgate thing you never mentioned nor credited him. Now that your lies and BS story has been exposed for the crap that it is, you are trying to deflect and shift blame over to man who you initially ripped off. You seem to be doing this with lies piled upon more lies and adding innuendo. You have definitely insinuated that David somehow stole his sword from the Naples museum with this statement :

" Lastly, I'm convinced their is a definite connection between David's sword and the Oak Island sword to Naples given David's involvement. Perhaps David informed Hutton somehow about the original one, made up the back story, or Hutton knew about David's (which he acquired from Naples) and gave this cover story to conceal David's involvement."

The fact of the matter is that David Kenney never once associated his sword with the Naples Museum. That whole fabrication can be attributed to one Hutton Pulitzer ! And again you try to shift blame for this onto David Kenney.

"That said I'm very concerned about his background and affiliation with the Naples museum."

This is so low and despicable, even coming from you Hutton. But why am I not surprised ?

Kill Bill

12/28/2016 02:29:57 pm

Who are you referring to? My name is Bill not Hutton. I've told you this a million times. How is that so hard to understand? How many ways can I spell that out for you? I see that you need an scapegoat to express your anger and frustration to and at the same time redirect the focus away from the challenges I've presented so you start creating the fantasy that I'm Hutton. I'm sorry to disappoint you again and for the last time I'm NOT him. Please don't ever call me that again. At this point I'm not even sure he's the kind of guy that I would want to be associated with. It's very clear you have such a narrow point of view on this story. Why is it so hard for you and others to see possible different motives, agenda's, and outcomes. Is it that you are so biased with your animosity against Hutton? Its clear that there are several possibilities here, perhaps both swords are real and Hutton is working with David and didn't want to disclose that? Its also possible that Hutton got limited data on the Oak Island sword and got information from David with out fully vetting it making the Oak Island one a replica but David's is still authentic. A third possibility is that both swords are fakes and that either David and Hutton are working together to perpetuate the hoax or given Hutton's excitement he's being used by David as a useful idiot.

All three are still very possible scenarios in my opinions and why I would rally like the see Andy's correspondence with David Kenney.

Jim

12/28/2016 04:48:35 pm

Bill not Hutton :,,,, Are you nuts ? Why would Andy share his private correspondence with someone using an alias on the internet ?

Kill Bill

12/28/2016 01:33:03 am

Andy, would you kindly share your email correspondence to us with David Kenney?

Peter Geuzen

12/28/2016 08:42:15 am

Finally, some humour.

Mike Morgan

12/29/2016 10:49:10 pm

Kill Bill/Jim/Jim Stela,

What is stopping you from emailing David Kenney yourself and sharing his emails with us? You have implied that you are a competent researcher and that you are interested in determining if there are any ancient Roman made "swords/votives" matching Pulitzer's "100% confirmed authentic" Oak Island Roman sword, now is your opportunity to make a contribution. You obviously know your way around a keyboard and your typing fingers must not be broken judging by your numerous postings.

Carpe diem, Kill Bill/Jim/Jimstela, Carpe diem!

Kill Bill

12/28/2016 02:36:24 pm

Andy,

As stated above given David Kenney's critical role and relationship I believe there are three possible scenarios emerging and why I would really like to see your correspondence with him to lay all this to rest.

1) Both Swords are Real
Could both the oak island sword and David's be authentic and Hutton is working with David and didn't want to disclose that and other details at the moment?

2) One real, one fake
A second possibility is that Hutton got limited XRF data on the Oak Island sword and got information from David with out fully vetting it making the Oak Island one a replica but David's is still authentic.

3) Both are fake
Third possibility is that both swords are fakes and that David and Hutton are working together to some degree to perpetuate the hoax or given Hutton's excitement he's being used by David as a useful idiot.

All three are still very possible scenarios in my opinions and why I would rally like the see Andy's correspondence with David Kenney.

I hope others can agree with me on this.

Peter Geuzen

12/28/2016 04:54:09 pm

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Who needs the Comedy Network, when we have this?

Only Me

12/28/2016 05:24:42 pm

1) Not possible. The OI sword has been tested and shown to be made from modern brass. Kenney's sword hasn't been tested, so there's no way someone can confidently state it's "real".

2) Same as #1.

3) Yes.

Asking Andy for the private correspondence might not be possible. It may require Kenney's permission. I know I wouldn't release information given in good faith and confidence, especially if Kenney doesn't want to be publicly associated with Pulitzer's antics.

Andy White

12/28/2016 05:46:48 pm

As I said before, I corresponded with Kenney back when this whole debacle began. We had a cordial exchange. I already shared what I intend to share (see posts on the Florida sword). There's nothing sinister lurking there, just the fact that I appreciate his openness and there's no reason why I should publish private emails just to satisfy the curiousity of some anonymous person who has come to my blog to insult and misrepresent me and the facts.

Kill Bill

12/29/2016 12:04:00 pm

So is the Florida sword real or not?

Kill Bill

12/28/2016 10:04:45 pm

Well it could help prove your case. Did you find that David was telling the truth and that he believes his sword is real? Did you know that he used to be part of the Naples museum and did you bring this up? Did you ask him if he has relationship with Hutton? I don't see you discuss this anywhere if so please provide link sources. Sharing your exhange would only help your case as you have as others have shared their exchanges with Hutton, AAPS, and other researchers.

Jim

12/28/2016 10:41:18 pm

Hutton,

"Well it could help prove your case."

What case do you speak of ? Surely not the oak island sword ?
That has long been proven to be a hoax that you created. Lol, it's over Hutton, surely you don't intent to keep making a complete fool of yourself over this ?
Perhaps you still have a reading comprehension problem ?
You do know that David posted the sword article on his website over a decade ago ? Long before your oak island scam, you know, when you were still selling magic crystals !!

Hutton Pulitzer link

12/28/2016 11:17:33 pm

Hahahahahahahahaha

Only Me

12/28/2016 11:59:30 pm

FuckyouAndy.com? When you can't address criticism, always follow up with a petty insult.

Andy White

12/29/2016 05:49:14 pm

Stop being a dumbass, "Bill," or I'll keep deleting your comments.

McFad

12/29/2016 07:23:22 pm

Delete...delete...delete...delete...BUH BYE! LOL

DPBROKAW

12/29/2016 06:59:35 pm

This "Bill/Hutton/Philyaw/Crotch Itch" will say or do ANYTHING to get attention!

Ryan Gold

1/3/2017 11:42:49 am

Someone shared with me Hutton's recent FB broadcast. Looks like he's consolidating his social media profiles and preparing for a massive release and press tour with Scott Wolter for a what he claims is "the most significant reveal to change world and north America history".

Also interesting to note that he's using his first name now Jovan.

What does everyone one think is coming up for 2017? Who is he working with, AAPS, History Channel, Nat GEO, Discovery, etc.??

Only Me

1/3/2017 02:51:21 pm

It seems Pulitzer hasn't learned anything from the Swordgate fiasco.

From
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/breaking-news-scott-wolter-and-j-hutton-pulitzer-join-forces-to-launch-new-multimedia-company:

"Wolter and Pulitzer plan to bypass cable TV (which they deride as too influenced by reality shows) and produce video content for streaming through online and on demand platforms like Apple TV. Pulitzer alleges that content will also be available on PBS, but there is no confirmation of that from PBS, which did not participate in the press release. Perhaps this means that they plan to offer their content for broadcast on individual PBS stations. Pulitzer claims that he and Wolter will produce 'four spin off network TV series,' which seems both optimistic and wrong. I assume by “network” he actually means “cable” since broadcast TV networks do not currently air any pseudohistory programming, let alone four series."

It's no big secret what he wants.

Pulitzer wants attention and having his own show (with Wolter, of course) is the prize.

Ryan Gold

1/3/2017 04:07:13 pm

Thanks for sharing OnlyMe. It looks like they found tombs:

"Pulitzer alleged that the “historic merger” between two diffusionist pseudohistory investigators occurred due to the discovery of unnamed “tombs” in North America that the two allege will rewrite history."

So this must be what they are preparing for. Do you know if they and thinking they are Roman, Knights Templar, giant, or pre-historic tombs?

We must remain vigilant! This must be the reason for delaying the AAPS white paper. Let's only hope that IF they really found something substantially ancient they will focus on peer-reviewing with academic experts before doing media tours and cable TV shows. Wishful thinking I'm sure. Has anyone heard any detail on this? Surely like Jason said opening tombs is illegal so they must be working with a government. Any others site other than Jason's where people might have more info?

Kill Bill

1/3/2017 05:24:41 pm

Hutton has discovered something incredible @ Oak Island that will give Andy and the rest of you heartburn. Welcome to 2017, let the fun begin!

Only Me

1/3/2017 05:39:47 pm

I sincerely hope you're not referring to Pulitzer's claim of a "tomb" he says may contain the body of Hercules.

Jim

1/3/2017 06:04:58 pm

Oh,, I'm sure ! As far as I know Hutton is not allowed on the Island. The government would not and will not allow him to do undersea exploration.
So, tell us Bill, what does that leave ?

1/3/2017 09:55:30 pm

Kill Bill,

no he hasn't.

As per the Nova Scotia Special Places Protection Act (http://nslegislature.ca/legc/statutes/specplac.htm):

"Heritage research permit

8 (1) No person shall carry out explorations or make excavations on any land in the Province, including land covered with water, for the purpose of seeking heritage objects, without a heritage research permit.

(2) The Minister, or a person authorized by the Minister, may issue heritage research permits authorizing archaeological, historical or palaeontological explorations and excavations in the Province.

(3) A heritage research permit shall be subject to the following:

(a) the application must be made on a form approved by the Minister;

(b) the applicant must be competent to conduct heritage research as proposed on the form provided;

(c) the permit holder must submit a report on the work done to the Minister within the time specified on the permit and in such detail as the Minister requires; and

(d) the permit holder must deliver possession of all heritage objects recovered, while excavating pursuant to the heritage research permit, to the Museum or to any other public institution which the Minister may designate, which objects become the property of the Province.

(4) Notwithstanding clause (d) of subsection (3), the Museum or other public institution designated by the Minister pursuant to said clause (d) may return any heritage object received to the person who recovered it, subject to such conditions as to the care and disposition of the object as the Museum or other institution, as the case may be, determines. R.S., c. 438, s. 8; 1990, c. 45, s. 5.

I can also direct you to the Nova Scotia Cemeteries and Monuments Protection Act (http://nslegislature.ca/legc/statutes/cemprot.htm)":

"Consequences of discovery of human remains

8 (1) Where there is no evidence on the surface of land that the land is a cemetery, but a person discovers, under the surface, human remains, that person shall

(a) immediately report the discovery to the Minister; and

(b) except to the extent permitted by the Minister, not carry out any activity that would result in disturbing the remains.

(2) Every person who violates subsection (1) is guilty of an offence against this Act. 1998, c. 9, s. 8."

If you are wondering about legislation regarding Oak Island, check out page 5 of Volume 26 No. 1, Fall 2015 Newsletter of the Nova Scotia Archaeology Society:

https://nsarchaeology.com/resources/newsletters/

It's written by the curator of archaeology at the Nova Scotia Museum and provides a nice rundown of what legislation the Lagina brothers are operating under, as well as what happens to artifacts identified on Oak Island.

Kill Bill

1/3/2017 10:21:45 pm

Thanks for the records. But you apparently don't know what you don't know other than finding records. Maybe Hutton will find a job for you.

GEE

1/7/2017 11:21:19 am

Kill Bill, Hutton game found anything at Oak Island, he has been banned from the property. You should know this. It's been years since he's been allowed in site. So unless he found it VIA goodie earth, he has nothing. And if that is " fight for the truth " procedures.. it's not working for me.

Only Me

1/3/2017 05:48:27 pm

Pulitzer has claimed a Roman soldier was buried near Oak Island, promising to provide future details. He also claims there is a "tomb", also near Oak Island, that may hold the body of Hercules.

Wolter has been busy working with Graham Hancock to tie his Templar nonsense with Hancock's Atlantis nonsense.

I'm not aware of anyone else who covered these topics in detail.

Ryan Gold

1/3/2017 07:40:45 pm

I just found this post on the Roman tomb: http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/j-hutton-pulitzer-claims-that-a-roman-soldier-is-buried-in-near-conjunction-to-oak-island

Why is all the posts on debunking a Roman sword when we have the ultimate fringe fun to debunk a Roman solider tomb. Andy??!!!

Andy White

1/4/2017 06:08:02 am

Until there's some sort of evidence connected to a claim, what's the point in talking about it? The only thing to evaluate is Pulitzer's track record of making extraordinary claims and then not following up on his promises. That evaluation only takes a second to perform, as Pulitzer's evidence:claim quotient is extremely low. The sword was an exception, which is why it was fun to pursue (i.e., there was a material component to the claim that could actually be evaluated). Talk is cheap.

Kill Bill

1/3/2017 10:29:28 pm

Andy likes swords, not tombs? I'm been doing my research and talked to peeps on the inside. There is are massive breakthroughs coming on several fronts this year - Oak Island, North America, and the WORLD.

Andy are you ready? They might even invite you and Jason to one of the sites so you can inspect it. Thats how confident they are in this. Oh boy guys, i'm like a little on Christmas. Can't wait for all the presents...

Jim

1/3/2017 11:26:34 pm

Well "Bill", You seem to have a lot of confidence that something has been found. You will have to admit though that Commander Cosplay has yet to find anything at all of any significance. So I am not sure where the confidence comes from, the next thing that clown finds will be the first thing he finds. So I won't be holding my breath. I do anticipate the "announcement" about the same as waiting for a new episode of Mr Bean,,, well a dumbed down version of Mr Bean.

Only Me

1/3/2017 11:27:40 pm

Bullshit. You haven't spoken to anyone "on the inside" and you know it. That's why you never addressed how Azora's comments directly contradicted your own on a previous blog post.

You've also removed any remaining doubt that you've jumped on board Pulitzer's hype train. You were never hear to "seek the truth" or "investigate" Pulitzer's claims, as I suspected all along.

No, Bill, your only purpose for coming here was to serve as Pulitzer's proxy in attacking Andy and regurgitating the same fantastical claims that have no substance or evidence. It looks like 2017 will be more of the same from the Pulitzer echo chamber.

Kill Bill

1/4/2017 08:23:29 am

I came on here to seek the truth and investigate the claims in this area. The more questions i rose the more defensive Andy got with regards to inquires into ancient lost wax casting techniques, his investigative work, and his relationship with David Kenney. Recently he started deleting my comments for no apparent reason. Plus it seems that Andy is more interested in really just making this a two way debate between Hutton and himself when its clear there is a much larger theater at play. So if people want to play nice and actually investigate stuff I'm all game and promise to be open minded and work with you all but it works both ways. I have a lot of experience, connections, and resources to employ so when some groups are open, when others not, makes you wonder.

Andy White

1/4/2017 10:27:47 am

Hi "Bill,"

I'll tolerate your nonsense to a point, but I see no reason to let your silly misrepresentations of me stand on my own blog. I shouldn't have to explain to you more than once what I actually do, what I've actually written about the "Roman sword," where I actually work, etc. I'm under no obligation to publish private emails to satisfy your curiosity. If you can't be honest, please just move on.

Only Me

1/4/2017 03:06:59 pm

"I came on here to seek the truth and investigate the claims in this area."

Your comment history doesn't support this statement.

"The more questions i rose the more defensive Andy got"

Actually, he didn't. He put his foot down when you started attacking him personally. Your questions were answered, but you didn't accept those answers since you wrongly asserted the burden of proof was on Andy, not Pulitzer.

"Recently he started deleting my comments for no apparent reason."

That happens when you personally attack the blog owner. You couldn't address his criticisms, so you went after him.

"Plus it seems that Andy is more interested in really just making this a two way debate between Hutton and himself when its clear there is a much larger theater at play."

Pulitzer was the one who wanted to debate Andy. He backed out when Andy wanted him to release the XRF data. The only theater involved comes from Pulitzer.

"So if people want to play nice and actually investigate stuff I'm all game and promise to be open minded and work with you all but it works both ways."

In other words, you want to make the rules and we have to obey them. Rules only work when they apply equally to all involved. Speaking for myself, I've been extremely patient in listening to your arguments; I'm still waiting for you to extend me the same courtesy.

"I have a lot of experience, connections, and resources to employ so when some groups are open, when others not, makes you wonder."

If this is true, why did you resort to ad hominem attacks? Despite your "experience, connections and resources", you only succeeded in weakening your position.

In regards to some groups being "open" or not, I find this is a common label employed by the fringe to differentiate between those who demand *more* than speculation, confirmation bias and blind faith, and those who confuse the aforementioned for legitimate science, research, facts and evidence.

Had you been honest, Bill, we wouldn't be at the crossroads we're at now.

GEE

1/7/2017 11:23:40 am

Kill Bill, you sure seem like you are Hutton.

P. Taylor link

1/4/2017 11:09:07 am

Okay Bill, here's what I've found in my research...

First of all, I've tracked down the original provenance (or actually, lack thereof) of the sword that was claimed to be part of the Naples Museum collection. According to someone who works for the curator, the sword in question "was never owned, displayed or loaned to our collection." (I can't guarantee that's a verbatim quote, since it's translated from Italian.)

This person spoke on the condition of anonymity, because apparently the trustees are embarrassed by the sword's recent popularity, since they don't know why it appeared as part of their collection originally.

Now I'm still in the process of writing a report about this research, which will eventually be peer-reviewed and published. So I can't get into a lot of specifics yet, except to say ALL WILL BE REVEALED in due time. In fact, I'm working with another contact at the museum to get a fully-attributed validation of the sword's non-existence, but because of NDAs and such, you'll have to wait until the report is published for names.

I've also had the chance to examine the REAL Oak Island Sword. Back in September, the folks at Promethus Entertainment allowed me to examine the sword and conduct a variety of minimally-invasive metallurgical tests. I can now say, without a doubt, the Oak Island Sword is 99.8 percent (±0.02) to be a modern replica which most likely originates from Italy, produced within the past couple hundred years.

All data will be published in an upcoming report. But until then, I'll be launching a media campaign next week to get the word out, so I thought you should know about the sword's authenticity before you read about it in the papers. So there you have it; undeniable proof that the sword is of recent origin, and NOT a true Roman artifact.

Sincerely,

P. Taylor

PS: Part of my research also focused on the purpose of the sword, since there has been a lot of confusion. Weapon of war? Nope. Votive offering? Nope... Turns out the sword was mass-produced to be sold to tourists! I'll cover all the sources and documents I used to solve that little mystery at a later time, in the upcoming report. Watch for it soon!

Kathleen

1/4/2017 03:59:49 pm

Interesting.

Can you tell a little bit about yourself?

Abraxas

1/4/2017 07:20:03 pm

Kathleen,

I'm the one who posted under the name "P. Taylor." It's my alter-ego, Phineas Taylor... ;)

I don't wanna keep the gag running too long, and since Bill already failed to take the bait, I might as well come clean... It was a satirical post, intended to be a sort of exercise about the value of unsubstantiated claims...

I hoped Bill would have taken the bait and refuted everything I claimed, because in reality, my little pack of lies there follows the EXACT same pattern as many of the claims he's made about the sword's authenticity in various posts throughout the last couple months.

I'd hoped to illustrate to him the value of substantiation and attribution, since he seems to think the way science works is to make a bunch of claims and then fail to back any of it up with data and research.

I did let Andy know it was a gag in the email and website fields when I submitted the post, to avoid a mess if the post started getting tons of replies.

Anyway, Phineas Taylor's "research" there should still serve as a pretty good example of why we can't just take peoples' word for it... ;)

Kathleen

1/4/2017 07:55:07 pm

Yeah, I was curious about how many clowns were in the circus. With the parallel narrative I thought perhaps Bill had created a like minded friend.

Kill Bill

1/4/2017 08:41:50 pm

P. Taylor/Abraxas - #MAJORFAIL

Kill Bill

1/4/2017 04:38:44 pm

So more people are joining the party! I'm actually glad there are others trying to do real investigation. It's already well known that there were many replica's of the sword made during that time period. Replicas has a source of origin. The people at the Naples Museum might only have limited information of the sword given those that work there now were not around at the time and the connection could have meant several things. I'm also investing this with a historical expert on the ground in Naples that has special access to archives and is translating. There is also a connection with the museum from the guy who claims to own the sister sword David Kenney who was a member there in the late 70s. What I'm finding is that the sword holds particular reverence to society and thus why it's been kept secret and hidden for years. Other one may have been found in northern Europe and awaiting results. My guess is that you were involved with the research team at St. Mary's given the professor also wanted to write a white paper. You might want to await until the big bombshells get released this year then ALL WILL BE TRUELY REVEALED. PS: Check out the lost wax casting technique...

Jim

1/4/2017 05:11:51 pm

Hutton,,, er,,"Bill" (sorry, you look so much like Huttom you could be twins) you said :

" My guess is that you were involved with the research team at St. Mary's given the professor also wanted to write a white paper. "

Hahaha, the professor never wanted to write a white paper, nobody with half a brain ever wanted to write a white paper on a FAKE sword,, hahaha.
Only an idiot would try to write a white paper on a fake sword !

Kill Bill

1/4/2017 08:45:43 pm

Jim - you may want to read the last comment of this post closely:

http://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/blog/summary-of-the-analysis-of-the-nova-scotia-sword-performed-by-christa-brosseau

"Anyone interested in knowing anything further can contact me directly and I will be very happy to discuss the work with them. I am currently considering preparing this work for peer-reviewed publication. Stay tuned!" - Dr. Christa Brosseau

Nice try, what else you got Jim?

Jim

1/5/2017 06:41:19 am

Rah, I was wrong, you finally got something right, first time Hutton ?

Jim

1/4/2017 05:23:26 pm

By the way "Bill", look up there is all kinds of stuff going over your head!

Jim

1/6/2017 11:26:08 am

Kill Bill/Hutton #HOOKLINEANDSINKER

Only Me

1/4/2017 06:12:46 pm

Ah, yes. Just like all the other unfulfilled promises (Commodus's Secret, Solomon's Secret, the white paper, the XRF data) all will be revealed.....LATER THIS YEAR!

It's always later. Because later is indefinite. This lets one to keep making empty promises, since one can say, "I haven't broken my promises. I did say later, remember?"

Kill Bill

1/4/2017 08:52:06 pm

Only Me, I know its really hard for you understand there being more than one scenario, but perhaps I can enlighten you. If you discovered massive breakthrough, bigger than you originally imagined, so much that it will have a major impact in the world by changing our known history, you will want to be sure as hell and vet it properly and do all the studies so the guys like Andy and Jason eat their own words. Its very likely that is what is happening if you read the tea leaves and talk to the insiders. Or you can dig your head in the sand and follow Andy.

Only Me

1/4/2017 10:06:13 pm

"Only Me, I know its really hard for you understand there being more than one scenario, but perhaps I can enlighten you."

That certainly smacks of arrogance, don't you think? You actually believe you know my level of understanding? Spare me your condescension, Bill.

"If you discovered massive breakthrough"

And that's the rub. IF, Bill, IF. Considering what has been claimed thus far, that's a pretty huge if. Now, let me enlighten *you*. I'm not interested in ifs when Pulitzer keeps harping about smoking guns and rewriting history, but can't cough up any substantial evidence. I won't accept speculation or grandstanding. I want evidence; nothing more, nothing less.

"you will want to be sure as hell and vet it properly and do all the studies so the guys like Andy and Jason eat their own words"

I don't doubt that's a big part of Pulitzer's motivation, but that only highlights the underlying problem. It isn't about the science or history. It's all about Pulitzer's ego and his pursuit of fame.

"Its very likely that is what is happening if you read the tea leaves and talk to the insiders."

I don't need to be a diviner to know that this whole affair is smoke and mirrors. Talk to the insiders? How can I do that when neither Azora nor anyone else will tell me who's directly involved? She made it perfectly clear the project members are bound by NDAs.

"Or you can dig your head in the sand and follow Andy."

Or I can continue doing what I've been doing all along: questioning the claims being made and reaching a conclusion based on the distinct lack of substance and evidence.

In other words, Bill, I will not be joining the Pulitzsphere. I will not add my biological and intellectual distinctiveness so they can be adapted to serve Pulitzer.

Joe Scales

1/4/2017 08:03:12 pm

Professor White, this isn't a democracy. It's your blog. You don't have to be courteous to such malevolence, nor allow it to continue. Perhaps this liar pollutes your blog to discourage you from unveiling his fraud. If so, I'd suggest giving in and no longer paying attention to his obvious lies and falsehoods. If people are dumb enough to fall for it in the first place, it's not likely you'll save them anyhow.

I very much enjoy the caliber of discussion here; generally free of politics and with mostly polite interactions. Some can't help engaging this liar when and it lowers the bar considerably. If you ignore him, perhaps others will too. Then his descent into obscurity can proceed unfettered.

You've already proven him to be a liar and a fraud. Know when to take a win.

Kill Bill

1/4/2017 09:13:44 pm

Then this blog would be empty like crickets! No one is coming here to check out Andy's rooster art (although it's neat) they want to engage and he is not providing that, new insights, or compelling information.

But Joe you called me a liar. So what have I lied about? I'm actually very respectful on here. I'm just raising serious questions about the investigation. Not my fault that it makes Andy and others squeamish.

Jim

1/5/2017 07:01:41 am

"Bill",,, you said ;

"No one is coming here to check out Andy's rooster art (although it's neat) they want to engage and he is not providing that, new insights, or compelling information."

We are talking about the fake sword here. It's done like toast, Andy has provided all the compelling information and insights needed. As I said, its done like toast, over, kaput !!!!
Or wait, perhaps you are up to your old tricks and want him to provide new insights, or compelling information on these new " big bombshells".
Hutton, again you want him to argue non existent evidence ???
It's easy, what are these new bombshells ? Tell us that and perhaps someone could give you some Insight. Kinda to tough to give you new insights on imaginary claims !!!!!!
The old Hutton double talk shuffle.

Abraxas

1/4/2017 11:21:35 pm

As I hoped you might have surmised from my little exercise a few posts up, ANYONE can "raise questions" about ANYTHING. Just like anyone can make claims about anything.

The critical difference between truth and fiction is evidence. In Andy's field, the way new discoveries work is that they're published after being reviewed by peers for authenticity's sake. I think you know this, Bill.

I also think you know that it works a different way in fringe media, because that community is more about selling products, or a narrative (each person's own "brand," like J. Hutton Pulitzer's), as opposed to real discovery and investigation...

It's about press coverage, social media engagement, advertising and selling their own products, like books and DVDs. With all their talk about how "corrupt" the institution of academia is, they ultimately don't care, because they know they usually don't have any evidence to support their claims, even to laypeople.

In your secret heart, you must realize this. There's absolutely no excuse for all this secrecy you claim when someone asks for your evidence. Nobody has asked you to present all your research here in the comments section of Andy's blog...

They've only asked for rational things like the names of people you're working with (or the names of people whose claims you've been parroting), places you've talked about, examples of data you've lauded, etc... From the little I know about scholarly research, this is stuff that real scientists and researches have no problem talking about in earnest, even before they publish.

The reason why you're getting so much shit is because everyone knows there are only two reasons why you won't be more forthcoming with evidence to support your claims... Either you're flat-out lying, or you're playing the fringe research game (or talking about claims made by people like Hutton, who are playing the game), in which media coverage and hype is what you (or they) are really after.

You can talk all you want about NDAs and embargoes, but in my opinion that only supports the notion that you (or the people you're talking about) aren't doing real research and collaboration. That kind of stuff is exactly how it works in the fringe business, because it's all about making maximum media impact and creating hype on social media... Seeking money and fame, in other words.

Ryan Gold

1/5/2017 10:03:28 pm

Why not just let everyone have their say, present their case, and defend their argument. Besides he's entertaining and maybe raising a few ideas and thoughts, otherwise it would be boring. Any one have other discoveries going on or coming up?

Abraxas

1/6/2017 01:54:25 am

Ryan, there's nothing inherently WRONG with raising thoughts and ideas... You're right. I think that's different from making unsubstantiated claims, though, which is pretty much worthless.

Take, for example, the link you posted earlier in the comments to Jason's blog, where he talks about how J. Hutton Pulitzer just randomly announced some existence of a Roman tomb on Oak Island the other day...

Okay, well I'll make a similar announcement, right here and now:

Last night I was conducting an excavation in Northern Egypt, and I found physical evidence of alien technology, dating back to 3000 BC! You guys should start spreading the word about this! You can even buy a pre-order copy of my upcoming book on my website!

You can see how both claims are worthless when they aren't accompanied by evidence. Now in academia, announcements of discoveries are often given the benefit of the doubt, because it's an established institution and 99 percent of the time, the published work confirms and validates those announcements. And we know that since everything has to be peer-reviewed, if a scientist is lying or just plain wrong, the errors will be caught.

But claims from the fringe are different, because it's really no different that you or I making some fantastical claim. They have a really poor track record, and for many other reasons as well, we've learned better than to just give them the same benefit of the doubt.

And speaking of Hutton and his XPLORR whatever, we can easily see a pattern there... It's no coincidence that Hutton ramps up his social media blitz as the Oak Island show begins; he's riding the coattails of that's show's success, just like he did last year, even after the sword was proven to be a fake.

So I guess the answer to your question is that when it comes to the fringe community, the expectation of truth and honesty is lower. Hell, it's even lower than it would be for the "normal" lay community, in my opinion, because we know that these guys have lied in the past. We know how their media cycles work, and how they try to manipulate the press and social media to their own ends.

Pulitzer's Roman tomb thing is a prime example.

Kill Bill

1/10/2017 09:31:56 pm

How is the tomb a prime example? Were you given insider information? Or perhaps you are making an assumption. You really just think its fake because you really are biased and want to believe it is. So when come from this angle how do you expect people like Hutton to expect a fair treatment from peer-review? You know why he can't, because such outsiders are not considered peers to the academic community and why this system needs to be reformed so we don't have to wait many decades for academics to confirm stuff that their non-peers discovered.

Abraxas

1/16/2017 08:47:57 pm

Yes, I was given insider information. Someone in Hutton's camp told me that the supposed Roman Tomb is based on an artifact that was later proven of recent origin.

Now that statement is totally false; I wasn't given insider information and I haven't talked to anyone in Hutton's camp. But without evidence or any research to back up my claim, what's the difference? Both claims are just coming from voices on the Internet, asking people to believe them simply because they said so...

Sure, I'm biased. That's because ever since I started paying attention to Hutton a couple years ago, nothing he's claimed (in the way of discoveries) has turned out to be true. He hasn't provided evidence or supporting research for anything he's claimed.

When someone has a poor track record, in addition to a known propensity for lying to support his business, you can't fault us for being weary of anything he says. That doesn't mean I automatically dismiss ANY possibility of his claims being true; if Hutton were to actually present evidence like a real scientist, I'd listen... Meaning, as a lay person, I'd rely on the scientific community and academia to tell me if Hutton's research is valid.

The peer review system exists for a reason... (And no, I don't believe it exists to suppress the truth and cloak some big conspiracy.) It exists because there's power in collective knowledge. When someone makes a scientific claim, how else are we supposed to know if it's true? We have to test that claim and measure it using our collective knowledge.

But this is all moot because not only does Hutton refuse to submit his "findings" for peer review, he doesn't even present his alleged evidence for the lay community. It would be one thing if he simply wanted to bypass academia, but I still have yet to see him offer anything to anyone. He doesn't even publish his research with his colleagues in the fringe community, like all this work with the AAPS he claims he's been doing.

And all that isn't even considering the financial aspect of what Pulitzer does, which further compounds the problem. I've mentioned that earlier in these comments, so I won't get into it now.

Look, bottom line is this: Hutton claims a lot of fun, wild things. I'd love it if some of his claims were true. If just ONE of his "Roman connection" claims were real, it would totally call into question what we thought we knew about pre-Columbian exploration of the Americas. All he has to do is provide some proof of these claims... And it wouldn't hurt if he reexamined his personal grudge with the scientific community, because nobody will ever take his claims seriously unless they're reviewed by his "peers."

In the mean time, I don't think there's anything wrong with calling him out for BS... Because if he's not telling the truth (or making claims from ignorance), then he's doing more harm than good.

Jim

1/6/2017 03:13:11 pm

Has anyone seen Commander Cosplays latest video on OI ?

https://www.facebook.com/JovanHuttonPulitzer/

It's hilarious, I have no idea what drugs he is on, but he seems higher than a kite. He's ranting and raving, spouting nonsense, shoving his face in and out of closeup depth and generally acting like a hopped up rooster. He has a number of sniffling episodes so I assume whatever it is, he snorted it.
Don't watch the whole thing, but skip around back and forth a bit. It's totally hilarious and well worth a few minutes time.

Kathleen

1/6/2017 04:33:51 pm

Yikes! Needed a seatbelt. A maniac in the true meaning. Not sure if the mania is biological or chemical, it sure is hard to see someone in that condition.

Kill Bill

1/10/2017 09:35:36 pm

still waiting for you to say something useful, enlightening, informative...

Kathleen

1/11/2017 03:10:41 am

TM, is that you?

DPBROKAW

1/6/2017 04:45:44 pm

I couldn't watch. I knew the guy was an ass before, but maybe it is partly due to drugs? He sure looks hopped up on something. But I couldn't continue watching a grown man make such a total ass of himself. What is scary is that he must know how much of an ass he makes of himself, but he doesn't care. I guess he wants fame, at any price.

Kill Bill

1/10/2017 09:34:47 pm

Lots of geniuses are not considered "socially acceptable" types..

Jim

1/11/2017 11:58:32 am

"Bill" Genius ???,hahahahaha, we are not even sure of Huttons genus. More testing is needed.

DPBROKAW

1/12/2017 07:21:41 pm

"Bill" If you consider Hutton a genius, maybe your the one on drugs!

not my real name

1/7/2017 08:05:38 am

You want ranting and raving? Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g25Tm1CuF18

Kill Bill

1/10/2017 09:33:55 pm

Wow you guys really have lots of time to show your hate for this guy.

Kill Bill

1/10/2017 09:36:39 pm

I have a feeling that Hutton will have the last laugh, just like Trump...

Only Me

1/10/2017 10:18:11 pm

"So when come from this angle how do you expect people like Hutton to expect a fair treatment from peer-review?"

He won't, as he isn't a scientist.

"You know why he can't, because such outsiders are not considered peers to the academic community"

Exactly. Untrained and inexperienced non-scientists are, by definition, incapable of being peers, something you acknowledge in the second half of that sentence.

"and why this system needs to be reformed so we don't have to wait many decades for academics to confirm stuff that their non-peers discovered."

The system doesn't need to change. Pseudoscience must change. Real knowledge will always be preferable to fantasy.

"Lots of geniuses are not considered "socially acceptable" types.."

Hutton has no need to worry. He's not counted among their number.

"Wow you guys really have lots of time to show your hate for this guy."

Your unabashed adoration for all that is Hutton needs a counterweight.

By the way, Bill, I'm also waiting for you to "say something useful, enlightening, informative...".

Abraxas

1/19/2017 01:43:03 am

Speaking of J. Hutton Pulitzer as we were, I came across this the other night: FEVR Distances Itself From Rasmussen (fevrtech.org)

Looks like JHP (or Kozette Hedger, listed as "Corporate Security") blasted out a press release recently in which he talks about FEVR ending its relationship with Bill Rasmussen of ESPN fame.

It's a really bizarre press release, but very typical of JHP or someone in his camp. I also found it interesting that this Kozette Hedger person's name appears in a lot of Pulitzer-related stuff, like WHOIS registration for a lot of his websites (including some treasure-hunting org, the same one that falsely named Pulitzer as a Nobel laureate; see Jason's blog for details). From what I could tell online, she either used to work with him in his Digital Convergence days, or not long after. Who knows? Not really pertinent, I suppose.

Anyway, I just thought that was interesting. In the press release, JHP kinda frames it to suggest that his company had some ethical conflict with Rasmussen. And although I don't have any grounds to say otherwise, I can just SEE the opposite being true, and Rasmussen dropping JHP because he and his people realized they didn't do a good enough job with their due-diligence when looking into JHP. (Although that seems hard to believe, since JHP's name and SEO presence is so tarnished.)

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